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Lupo-Irpino Jul 31, 2017 @ 11:33am
Is Guile the worst char in the cast?
Spamming sonic boom and flash kick, i think he's lost his charm and he has to be nerfed... Very bad chara.
What do u think?
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Washing Machine Jul 31, 2017 @ 11:42am 
Think people hate Guile regardless of league. Early leagues you lose to runaway boom and frassu kikku zoning, later leagues you get rushed down with a boom shield and mauled in the corner.

I just don't understand how this character makes sense. Hope season3 has some serious nerfing coming for this goof.
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mrobson83 Jul 31, 2017 @ 12:11pm 
The same type of thing can be said about any character assuming there are people who've completely mastered how to use the tool set given to a specific character.

It's the responsibility of the player to learn how to deal with Guile's abilities. Learn to bait out flash kicks and punish them, or use a character with easier to use or better zoning tools than Guile.

I hate facing down Guiles with a passion. I hate the turtling Guiles that force me to take action and capitalize on my mistakes. I also hate Guiles who manage to be super aggressive behaving like a rush-down character.

That doesn't mean Guile is necessarily OP, it just means I am currently unable to deal with his tool set in an appropriate manner.

If I have to learn to beat Guile using Ed's tool set (my current main), then everyone else should learn to deal with him using the respective tool sets of their mains as well. And I'm only barely getting the hang of Ed's abilities since his launch. I'd say my win rate against Guile in general is about 30% at best.
Last edited by mrobson83; Jul 31, 2017 @ 12:12pm
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Stnank Jul 31, 2017 @ 12:14pm 
Guile is Guile. He's been this way forever. I don't mind him.
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kan1x Jul 31, 2017 @ 12:48pm 
Geeze dude steam forums has more garbage than port authority NYC
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Stnank Jul 31, 2017 @ 12:58pm 
Originally posted by kan1x:
Geeze dude steam forums has more garbage than port authority NYC

Don't ♥♥♥♥ on PANYC.
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CrunchyBiscuit Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by mrobson83:
The same type of thing can be said about any character assuming there are people who've completely mastered how to use the tool set given to a specific character.

I agree, but some characters are easier to be efficient with than other characters - low learning curve vs high learning curve.

I absolutely don't mind facing Guiles all day though (or any character for that matter). Forces me to lay down on the rush and play more thoughtfully.
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Washing Machine Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:19pm 
I just think his toolset is way too good. Capcom's own definition of what they want Guile to be is the "opposite of Nash", a very defensive character. They admitted while nerfing him last patch that his toolset led to him having an offense game that was stronger than intended. Yet they hardly nerfed it. It's still stupidly strong. He still has a backthrow loop. The corner pressure is still evil. Why does he have this comeback rushdown v-trigger in the first place?

Compare him to Ryu. Ryu's supposedly the "jack of all trades, master of none", and he feels very balanced and fair to me in that regard. Guile on the other hand is straight up "master of all trades", and feels insanely imbalanced by comparison.
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Stnank Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:24pm 
As Gief, the only characters I feel are the big struggles are Dhalsim, Cammy, and Chun-Li. Guile feels okay.
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Son Samurai Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:29pm 
Originally posted by Washing Machine:
I just think his toolset is way too good. Capcom's own definition of what they want Guile to be is the "opposite of Nash", a very defensive character. They admitted while nerfing him last patch that his toolset led to him having an offense game that was stronger than intended. Yet they hardly nerfed it. It's still stupidly strong. He still has a backthrow loop. The corner pressure is still evil. Why does he have this comeback rushdown v-trigger in the first place?

Compare him to Ryu. Ryu's supposedly the "jack of all trades, master of none", and he feels very balanced and fair to me in that regard. Guile on the other hand is straight up "master of all trades", and feels insanely imbalanced by comparison.

Guile really isn't that good.

Most people try to rush Guile and they get blown up for their efforts. You have to make Guile do unsafe things.

Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom so wait on him to move or try to throw him if you're ballsy.

Retreating Guile means no flash kick so jump on him or rush him down.

If he starts pushing buttons, go for the crush counter.

At least Capcom let us be able to punish Bazooka knee now. Before the 2.5 patch the knee was basically unpunishable.

All Guile's fight the same. Just don't stand across the screen from him and he's beatable.
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ceeb Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:52pm 
Jump short of his flash kick range and bait him into do it, then you get a free punish on him and now you are up close.
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CrunchyBiscuit Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:53pm 
Originally posted by Son Samurai:
Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom ...

?

I didn't unlock Guile myself yet, but I'm pretty sure you can charge down and back at the same time.
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Arthas Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:53pm 
Originally posted by Son Samurai:
Originally posted by Washing Machine:
I just think his toolset is way too good. Capcom's own definition of what they want Guile to be is the "opposite of Nash", a very defensive character. They admitted while nerfing him last patch that his toolset led to him having an offense game that was stronger than intended. Yet they hardly nerfed it. It's still stupidly strong. He still has a backthrow loop. The corner pressure is still evil. Why does he have this comeback rushdown v-trigger in the first place?

Compare him to Ryu. Ryu's supposedly the "jack of all trades, master of none", and he feels very balanced and fair to me in that regard. Guile on the other hand is straight up "master of all trades", and feels insanely imbalanced by comparison.

Guile really isn't that good.

Most people try to rush Guile and they get blown up for their efforts. You have to make Guile do unsafe things.

Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom so wait on him to move or try to throw him if you're ballsy.

Retreating Guile means no flash kick so jump on him or rush him down.

If he starts pushing buttons, go for the crush counter.

At least Capcom let us be able to punish Bazooka knee now. Before the 2.5 patch the knee was basically unpunishable.

All Guile's fight the same. Just don't stand across the screen from him and he's beatable.

That's the problem with Guile. You have to make him make a mistake instead of being able to just exploit a character weakness. It's not fair that other characters have to put it in so much work to get guile to mess up and do "unsafe" things. When if the opponent played against any other character they wouldn't have to worry about that bs.

The reason why Guile is so good in SF V is that his basically a turtle with an unstoppable shell and the only way to beat him is by making the turtle get out of his shell with baits. And that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and unfair and guile should be removed if they can't give him a real exploitable weakness.

No one should have to put in that much work and effort into beating a character when all the other characters are much easier to beat.
Last edited by Arthas; Jul 31, 2017 @ 1:54pm
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Washing Machine Jul 31, 2017 @ 2:00pm 
I don't really mind the turtling, if that was all he had going for him.

It's the rushdown and pressure he has that peeves me. I don't see why he gets to do that when they want him to be about defense.
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Son Samurai Jul 31, 2017 @ 2:02pm 
Originally posted by CrunchyBiscuit:
Originally posted by Son Samurai:
Crouching Guile means no Sonic boom ...

?

I didn't unlock Guile myself yet, but I'm pretty sure you can charge down and back at the same time.

Because people bring this up every time, you want him to Sonic boom over a flash kick. You can jump punish a boom easily.

The key is to wait on him to get bored or throw him if he's truly playing turtle.

Experience - I'm super plat. Kinda have some experience with how characters play and how to beat them.
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Son Samurai Jul 31, 2017 @ 2:04pm 
Originally posted by arthashanaru:
And that's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid and unfair and guile should be removed if they can't give him a real exploitable weakness.

No one should have to put in that much work and effort into beating a character when all the other characters are much easier to beat.

So one character isn't rushdown and that's bad? Guile has had the same gameplan since sf2.

The timer is 99 seconds or ticks. You don't have to beat everyone in 20.
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