I can't deal with most of the top tiers with Ryu

[Pege]

My character has been and will always be Ryu. But ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, there's nothing I can do. I have no room for mistakes, I have very little come back potential, I have no oki-game and I have slow normals. Also a really bad fireball (-6 on block, really?).

The second I picked Guile, I started winning matches I previously could not with Ryu. With 5 times less practice time and experience. Even when I can tell that I make more better decisions and overall play better than the other person (land more stray hits, avoid bad situations..) if I ♥♥♥♥ up just once I might die right there. One mix-up and I am stunned and possibly dead right after that.

For any of you wondering if you should stick with Ryu or pick him up.. Don't do it. I'm telling you right now. It's a huge struggle. You can train as much as you want to, you're not getting the results you could get with, for example, Guile. Ryu is essentially a worse Guile. Sounds like a joke but it isn't.

[Washing Machine]

Think it's moreso that Guile is in serious needs of nerfs rather than Ryu being that bad.

[Pege]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Washing Machine:

Think it's moreso that Guile is in serious needs of nerfs rather than Ryu being that bad.

Whatever the case, Ryu cannot handle the top tiers. Or even a lot of the other characters. But Guile? And Balrog? And Ibuki? No chance in hell. You have to be so much better than your opponent to stand a chance.

Basically, you have to train like Ryu to be able to play with Ryu, lol. I symphatize with other Ryu mains. This is so bad I can't handle it. The bad online doesn't help either. With the complete lack of filters and bars not representing the actual connection.

[lowl1fe]

I gave him up before s1 ended, picked Cammy. He was also my main for a very long time, but he got outplayed by so many other characters. I played every other one and got stuck to Cammy, she is really badass ;> Would never play Ryu again.

I recommend to do the same and try out every other character, just to check which one suits you best.

[Washing Machine]

That's why they are top tier, since they got mostly favorable matchups.

I don't think there's any problems with Ryu currently. He's supposed to be balanced, have all the tools possible, and he does truckloads of damage. Honest af and all that. Ryu working exactly as intended.

[lowl1fe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Washing Machine:

That's why they are top tier, since they got mostly favorable matchups.

I don't think there's any problems with Ryu currently. He's supposed to be balanced, have all the tools possible, and he does truckloads of damage. Honest af and all that. Ryu working exactly as intended.

Ryu struggles to get into the game imo. Most of the other characters have tools to close the gap and get a hit with lower risk than Ryu. He is the second worst according to Tier lists, only Juri is worse.

He is "too" balanced imo, in a bad sense though.

[Cipher Esteria]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lowl1fe:

Ryu struggles to get into the game imo. Most of the other characters have tools to close the gap and get a hit with lower risk than Ryu. He is the second worst according to Tier lists, only Juri is worse.

He is "too" balanced imo, in a bad sense though.

Juri is better than Ryu, the worst Char is FANG, because he can punish nothing that is worse than -8. (unless you call 2 jabs into nothing a punish).

Funny that you picked Cammy, I had a longer time ago a discussion with Cammy beeing the "Ryu" of this game.

[lowl1fe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cipher:

Funny that you picked Cammy, I had a longer time ago a discussion with Cammy beeing the "Ryu" of this game.

The main reason for me picking Cammy is easily explained. Since I play with an xbox controller, some characters like Urien/Guile etc. are hard to handle, because of the bad d-pad and analog stick on it. Cammy has similar controller mappings as Ryu and felt instantly good for me. Maybe that's the reason why they say that.

[Cipher Esteria]

There're other reasons too.

1) She got a Movemeant that Shotos had in previous game, fast walkspeed forward and backward.
2) she got a good low forward (something shotos always had)
3) She got easy Combos (another shoto primer, outside of some specific stuff)
4) Since SFV's fireballs aren't that strong, you can use her strong Buttons for zoning instead of fireballs (what is funny enough safer too)
5) Got realy good and strong anti-airs (another Shoto trademark)
6) Got good ranged and close are buttons (also normaly a combination found by shotos)
7) Last but not least, she's straight forward and easy to use (you guessed it, another shoto trademark)

Thats what it nailed down to, after some discussions with SRK OG's.

[lowl1fe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Cipher:

There're other reasons too.

1) She got a Movemeant that Shotos had in previous game, fast walkspeed forward and backward.
2) she got a good low forward (something shotos always had)
3) She got easy Combos (another shoto primer, outside of some specific stuff)
4) Since SFV's fireballs aren't that strong, you can use her strong Buttons for zoning instead of fireballs (what is funny enough safer too)
5) Got realy good and strong anti-airs (another Shoto trademark)
6) Got good ranged and close are buttons (also normaly a combination found by shotos)
7) Last but not least, she's straight forward and easy to use (you guessed it, another shoto trademark)

Thats what it nailed down to, after some discussions with SRK OG's.

Yep, that's what I'm saying. You forgot to mention the most obvious advantage though:

8) Super Hot ;>

[Washing Machine]

I always thought Necalli was moreso the SFV basic character than Cammy.

[k3rr3k]

Fighting a good Ryu is like fighting a brick wall. You can't jump at him, it's hard to walk forward, and they make his mediocre wake up pressure feel dominating. Obviously if you play a character with good normals like Chun the fight get's a lot easier but my point stands. A lot of people quit him before they actually get good. I'd assume the same of the people complaining about him in this thread. Chances are you guys will never be good enough to where the tier lists matter, specifically in this game because they are so condensed.

[Son Samurai]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Washing Machine:

I always thought Necalli was moreso the SFV basic character than Cammy.

He was supposed to be until they made disc's guidance into a charge move. Otherwise, he has an uppercut, the ground pound functions like a fireball, and disc's guidance is like a ground tatsu. He was Akuma until they put Akuma into the game.

[lowl1fe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh k3rr3k:

Fighting a good Ryu is like fighting a brick wall. You can't jump at him, it's hard to walk forward, and they make his mediocre wake up pressure feel dominating. Obviously if you play a character with good normals like Chun the fight get's a lot easier but my point stands. A lot of people quit him before they actually get good. I'd assume the same of the people complaining about him in this thread. Chances are you guys will never be good enough to where the tier lists matter, specifically in this game because they are so condensed.

Then why do commentators always say in streams: Tier lists do not apply for the very good players.

Tokidos' Ryu is out of this world and his Ryu is for sure not the bottom of the Tier list but in the top 5 when played by him. But even he switched to Akuma.

[k3rr3k]

Diposting pertama kali oleh lowl1fe:

Diposting pertama kali oleh k3rr3k:

Fighting a good Ryu is like fighting a brick wall. You can't jump at him, it's hard to walk forward, and they make his mediocre wake up pressure feel dominating. Obviously if you play a character with good normals like Chun the fight get's a lot easier but my point stands. A lot of people quit him before they actually get good. I'd assume the same of the people complaining about him in this thread. Chances are you guys will never be good enough to where the tier lists matter, specifically in this game because they are so condensed.

Then why do commentators always say in streams: Tier lists do not apply for the very good players. Tokidos' Ryu is out of this world and his Ryu is for sure not the bottom of the Tier list but top 5 when played by him. But even he switched to Akuma.

They usually say that for the very top players because they understand the game on such a deep level that they can take bad characters and beat good ones(see Air vs Justin). Really though this only applies to a small fraction of top players too.

[WickedRequiem]

At the very top, though, there's also the issue of match ups becoming more and more important, not just tier.