How can i beat good Ibuki, Rashid or Cammy players as Ryu. They are so f**** fast!!!!

[Ares4X]

I'm Silver Rank, but everytime i have a fight against good Silver Cammy's, Rashid's or Ibuki's i lost. Also i have problems with good Bison or Urien players.....O.o

Any tips?

Thanks in advance.

[#FIN Suojeluskunta]

引用自 Apathy：

lol if Ryu was actually midtier then Daigo wouldn't lose with him regularly to the point of changing his main. He got nerfed into the ground at the start of Season 2. You might want to specify V-Reversal instead of reversal since DP is super unsafe and all 3 are worthless until the patch.

The main thing is that OP needs more practice and needs to get around some of his scrubby mindset. Calling Guile a spam character is really dumb. You want to beat Guile? Bait out his flash kick. It's the most unsafe thing he can do outside of cr. HK. It's a free punish if he whiffs or you block. Ryu doesn't have anti-fireball tech so that's going to be an issue. So you're going to need to rely on your punish game for him. If you're not good at baiting *and* punishing you need to work on that if you want to play Ryu. Especially if you lose to Guile all the time. You have to play smart and force mistakes. But that's Guile's gameplan as well so be mindful of it.

Dude look at the results.

Daigo sucks, it's not Ryu. The dude swapped characters and still he got ♥♥♥♥ on by the top Japanese pros. All the Daigo fans started crying so hard over Ryu but he is a viable character, Daigo just sucks. Is he top tier? No way, Ken and Akuma are arguably objectively better in almost every way, but you could say the same about other characters, you can use a top tier or you can use a mid tier like many others do and still work with it. He was top 5 last season and now he's mid tier, so it makes people think oh my god he sucks so bad, same thing with Nash and yet people proved he is still a strong contender in the right hands

He lost his stupid throw loop, a great normal, jab anti air, yet he still has a great parry tool for Cammy's kick and got a slight buff to his fireballs. You cannot expect to DP without using EX now, is it bull compared to people like Necalli who have better normals and damage? Absolutely, but Capcom decided to give the top tiers some stupid tools. So you can man up and take a character regardless of their tier or you can suck out and go play a top 5.

There are some ♥♥♥♥♥♥ characters in this game, people are trying to force Nash and Ryu into those spots, which is just dishonest

[Cipher Esteria]

Daigo loses with Ryu, because he wants to play ST with a 3rd Strike character.
A bunch of match analysts mentoid this already and it was for a long time a discussion point on SRK.

Also Ryu can parry fireballs with his V-Skill and his Tatsus become projectile invincible after startup. Thats in SF since the implentation of invincible frames. Not to mentoi, it's possible to DP trough fireball, something that was very prominent in older fighters and has become more prominent with SFV again.

[Apathy]

"Daigo sucks"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Umehara#Achievements

Look man. I get that you're a character loyalist. But if Ryu was so great why did Valle switch to Rashid? Why hasn't anyone won anything with Ryu since he was nerfed/

[Cipher Esteria]

Valle said in an interview that he wants to play new SF and decided to play Rashid and Juri instead of Ryu.
Also Valle was already maining Rashid in season 1, where Ryu was supposed to be TopTier.
Furthermore, Daigo sucks in SFV.

[#FIN Suojeluskunta]

引用自 Apathy：

"Daigo sucks"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_Umehara#Achievements

Look man. I get that you're a character loyalist. But if Ryu was so great why did Valle switch to Rashid? Why hasn't anyone won anything with Ryu since he was nerfed/

I'm not saying Daigo has sucked period. He has been very lackluster in SF5 in general, and especially so in season 2. He switched to Guile dude go watch the games..he still loses, and sometimes really badly too.

He just isn't as good as he once was compared to the other pros right now, he's an amazing player still yeah, but the proof is in the pudding, he still did nothing noteworthy in season 1 when Ryu was top 5. Most pros play top tier characters, I don't blame any of them from avoiding Ryu. But saying Ryu is trash tier because of nerfs to things he had that were just stupidly strong with very high damage, along with the honestly BS nerf to dps, and using Daigo as an example when he didn't do well with him even in season 1, is just dishonest. I'm not a character loyalist, especially for pros, pick what you need to pick. Mika still doing great, Chun doing pretty well, Nash still doing great, just not across the board like in S1.

As I said too Ryu is arguably the worst out of all the shotos if you want to include Chun and Nash as shotos along with Ken and Akuma. There's not much reason to pick him, but there's also not too many reasons to pick characters over the top tier ones currently either, because of how homogenized SF5's roster is, giving some characters too many top tier tools while others suffer.

[Apathy]

Chun and Charlie aren't shotos. Who told you that nonsense? In any event I don't feel Ryu is mdtier because he has a lot of bad matchups and is weak overall compared to most of the cast. I do agree that there's no reason to play Ryu right now because he's not strong enough to play. The amount of work required to win matches or comeback with Ryu before the new balance patch is too much when other characters can ♥♥♥♥ out huge damage. The nerfs from season 1 took away too many of his tools. The buffs for the balance patch for Ryu gives him his teeth back.

[#FIN Suojeluskunta]

引用自 Apathy：

Chun and Charlie aren't shotos. Who told you that nonsense? In any event I don't feel Ryu is mdtier because he has a lot of bad matchups and is weak overall compared to most of the cast. I do agree that there's no reason to play Ryu right now because he's not strong enough to play. The amount of work required to win matches or comeback with Ryu before the new balance patch is too much when other characters can ♥♥♥♥ out huge damage. The nerfs from season 1 took away too many of his tools. The buffs for the balance patch for Ryu gives him his teeth back.

You can consider them shotos, I did it because I wanted to be generous in comparing him to others.

You can say the same about much of the roster, there's very little reason to play anyone besides the top 5 unless you fit into their niche styles. Just that simple

[Apathy]

引用自 Pitkä：

引用自 Apathy：

Chun and Charlie aren't shotos. Who told you that nonsense? In any event I don't feel Ryu is mdtier because he has a lot of bad matchups and is weak overall compared to most of the cast. I do agree that there's no reason to play Ryu right now because he's not strong enough to play. The amount of work required to win matches or comeback with Ryu before the new balance patch is too much when other characters can ♥♥♥♥ out huge damage. The nerfs from season 1 took away too many of his tools. The buffs for the balance patch for Ryu gives him his teeth back.

You can consider them shotos, I did it because I wanted to be generous in comparing him to others.

You can say the same about much of the roster, there's very little reason to play anyone besides the top 5 unless you fit into their niche styles. Just that simple

They're not shotos though. Having a kick move, an AA move, and a fireball doesn't make a character a shoto. If it did half the cast would be shotos. It's the motions and uses. Laura has all of that but she's not a shoto.

[winningatlast]

Silver Cammy player here, I think we both have played before. If I remember correctly, You had easely readable patterns, which you would repeat very often. If you would mix things up more, you would have easely beaten me. Plus you dont move enough, you are a bit too stationary. My tip would be to watch your own replay. Pause everytime when you take damage, watch the sequence which led to the damage and ask yourself: Did I do something predictable/punishable which led to the Damage taken?
At least thats what I do, and yes I know its hard to get rid of old patterns, but the first step is recognising them.

[Ares4X]

@lightsr: thats a great idea! Thanks very much!!

[notPanda]

ez, OP. Just pick one of the other top tier characters: Guile, Urien, Balrog.
pz

[Ares4X]

Panda sorry i dont like charging charas like Guile or Balrog.

I have to mixup my patterns more and have to do even more combos.