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Echoplex25 2017 年 2 月 22 日 下午 1:45
SFV so bad USFIV might make a comeback
https://pvplive.net/c/javits-discusses-ultra-street-fighter-iv-revival
thoughts?
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Son Samurai 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 5:58 
引用自 SoreN Whitefang：
alright, so people play a 25 years unbalanced game untill now and SFV season 2 is ♥♥♥♥. I start to thing the FGC are much more vocal than racional

It's not unbalanced. Every game will have tiers if you have different characters with different properies. The goal is to make the tiers so that a low tier will not auto lose to a high tier which turbo is pretty good with avoiding. Certain characters have advantages over others but it isn't like SF5 with Urien being able to outjab and outkick half the cast or boxer being able to keep people out until he V-triggers FTW.

Tier list for Turbo:

Tier 1:
Dhalsim, Claw, Boxer, O.Sagat

Tier 2:
Chun-Li, Dee Jay, Ryu

Tier 3:
Guile, O.T.Hawk, Dictator, Honda, Ken, Sagat, Fei-Long

Tier 4:
T.Hawk, Blanka, Cammy, Zangief
最后由 Son Samurai 编辑于; 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 5:59
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Black Oozaru 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:01 
i know how tiers works, and i know s2 is not perfect too, but at least the game dont have 25y, i guess they will balance again with the Hiper SF2 coming out, they already said they wont use the HD remix changelog so is a good thing, i like HD remix graphics but i dont like the rebalance they did =/
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Providence 777 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:05 
I think ST feels more unbalanced than it really is due to good and bad match-ups.

Honda is dead if pit against Guile.
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Rich Mahogany 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:07 
I mean I loved SF4. I saw no reason to make a SF5, they just needed to add some features to SF4. Now they're basically rebuilding the entire SF4 game for no real reason, this game isn't better in any way.
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Providence 777 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:15 
引用自 Jack Hoff：
I mean I loved SF4. I saw no reason to make a SF5, they just needed to add some features to SF4. Now they're basically rebuilding the entire SF4 game for no real reason, this game isn't better in any way.
better graphics, improved fighting system, unifying the playerbases, none of that could have been in SFIV, they had to move on to the next version to do this.
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Rich Mahogany 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:21 
引用自 Providence 777：
引用自 Jack Hoff：
I mean I loved SF4. I saw no reason to make a SF5, they just needed to add some features to SF4. Now they're basically rebuilding the entire SF4 game for no real reason, this game isn't better in any way.
better graphics, improved fighting system, unifying the playerbases, none of that could have been in SFIV, they had to move on to the next version to do this.

I'll agree with the graphics, even though SF4 didn't look dated because it used a cartoonish style. Unifying the playerbase I forgot about, that's definitely a big one - but again, something that could have been patched into SF4. Improved fighting system, however, no.
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Providence 777 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:32 
引用自 Jack Hoff：
I'll agree with the graphics, even though SF4 didn't look dated because it used a cartoonish style. Unifying the playerbase I forgot about, that's definitely a big one - but again, something that could have been patched into SF4. Improved fighting system, however, no.
SF4 hit its technical limitations on the fight system due to the fact that when SF4 was first being developed (pre-alpha stages) that it was designed like tekken/doa (limb tracking attack animations, 3D hit boxes, etc) before they decided to return to the 2D style combat.

This lead to lots of the the fight system glitches that can't be repaired. Mix-ups/combos that only work on one side of the screen but not the other, Gen's jump kicks randomly cross-up REGARDLESS of where he lands, even when doing neutral jump.

Various glitches regarding hit boxes were a result of the left over half built foundation of a poor Tekken/DOA pretender that SFIV (ALMOST) became.

Thos problems were rooted deep into the design of the game, and could be fixed without rebuilding from sratch.

SFV needed to happen, it's a shame that they self sabotaged it so badly.
最后由 Providence 777 编辑于; 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 6:33
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Everyday Civilian 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:16 
引用自 Son Samurai：
Tier list for Turbo:

Busted:
Akuma

SS:
Dhalsim, Chun-Li, Claw, Boxer, O.Sagat

S:
Dee Jay, O.T.Hawk, O.Ken

A:
Dictator, Honda, Ryu, T.Hawk, Guile, N.Ken

B:
Blanka, Zangief, Fei Long

C:
Cammy

Fix'd
最后由 Everyday Civilian 编辑于; 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:24
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Son Samurai 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:22 
引用自 Juri Loves Pasta：
引用自 Son Samurai：
Tier list for Turbo:

Busted:
Akuma

SS:
Dhalsim, Chun-Li, Claw, Boxer, O.Sagat

S:
Dee Jay, O.T.Hawk, O.Ken

A:
Guile, Dictator, Honda, Sagat, Ryu, N.Ken

B:
T.Hawk, Blanka, Zangief, Fei Long

C:
Cammy

Fix'd

Depends on if you're going by Japanese or American tier lists but it's pretty similar to be honest and Akuma doesn't count. He wasn't meant to be balanced at all.
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Everyday Civilian 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:28 
引用自 Son Samurai：
引用自 Juri Loves Pasta：

Fix'd

Depends on if you're going by Japanese or American tier lists but it's pretty similar to be honest and Akuma doesn't count. He wasn't meant to be balanced at all.
This is what is generally agreed upon. Ryu struggles to be in S.
最后由 Everyday Civilian 编辑于; 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:29
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Son Samurai 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:39 
引用自 Juri Loves Pasta：
引用自 Son Samurai：

Depends on if you're going by Japanese or American tier lists but it's pretty similar to be honest and Akuma doesn't count. He wasn't meant to be balanced at all.
This is what is generally agreed upon. Ryu struggles to be in S.

I don't think Capcom ever wanted Ryu to be anything but a beginner character who is good at everything but not great at anything. Season 2 SF5 Ryu just makes me sad to see though.
最后由 Son Samurai 编辑于; 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:39
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HardonCollider 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 7:41 
This is just mass hysteria
#72
Crow 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 8:16 
引用自 Son Samurai：
引用自 Juri Loves Pasta：
This is what is generally agreed upon. Ryu struggles to be in S.

I don't think Capcom ever wanted Ryu to be anything but a beginner character who is good at everything but not great at anything. Season 2 SF5 Ryu just makes me sad to see though.
i'm the only one that thinks season 2 ryu does way too much damage.
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Son Samurai 2017 年 2 月 23 日 下午 8:37 
引用自 Pasta：
引用自 Son Samurai：

I don't think Capcom ever wanted Ryu to be anything but a beginner character who is good at everything but not great at anything. Season 2 SF5 Ryu just makes me sad to see though.
i'm the only one that thinks season 2 ryu does way too much damage.

His fireball is a joke, he can't poke well, and, besides a hit confirm into super combo, can't punish that well either. Also, his v-trigger isn't great and his V-skill is fun to use but not useful at punishing.
#74
Cipher Esteria 2017 年 2 月 24 日 上午 4:39 
引用自 Juri Loves Pasta：
Fix'd

Lattest ST Tierlist I saw on a japanese Stream, around December 2016:

Top
Dhalsim, Boxer, Claw

High
Ryu, Chun-Li, DeeJay, Fei Long

Mid
Dictator, Guile, Ken, Sagat, T.Hawk, Cammy, Honda

Low-Mid
Zangief, Blanka

Banned
Akuma
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