Video Heroes of Might & Magic: Olden Era - Necropolis Faction full reveal

[Колбаска]

I don't know why no one has created a video theme yet, in my opinion the units and portraits of the heroes are great.

Не знаю почему ещё никто не создал тему по видео, по моему юниты и портреты героев великолепны.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC-RNG3B60U

[Elveone]

Cause they posted it in the news section :)

[Колбаска]

Originally posted by Elveone:

Cause they posted it in the news section :)

I'm so inconsiderate. But I think other people can also skip the special section and search for this topic in the general section.

[Mindeveler]

Well, I wouldn't call it great, but It does look better than their previous "teasers".
It's even missing that hideous vampire girl with ugly ears. Hopefully they deleted her.

P.S. Looks like vampires are gonna be OP once again.

[wetbandit1986]

Vampire is lvl 7 it should be strong..

[DecayWolf]

Originally posted by wetbandit1986:

Vampire is lvl 7 it should be strong..

We had Blood Angels as a T7 Life Drain unit on H5.

They seem to become a hybrid, which means they should have a weaker overall stat pool.
I don't think it would be any more OP than T7 units are by default.

[DecayWolf]

BTW.

I think the grave digger should be replaced by a dedicated necromancer.
Necromancers are way cooler.
If not necros because could be considered as heroes (as if lich isn't a more powerful necro version)
Then another option could be mummies. They would bring hexes and could summon beatles and plagues.

Any of the above would be a much cooler version of the "grave digger" granted I absolutely hate their skin, but overall it's kinda of a lame unit.


The dogos could get a skin change. Instead of a husk body like a hulk creature.
It could be slim, but with a body made full of bones. One of their upgrades could spread plague as well.

Everything else looks very good though.

[meh-nah]

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

BTW.

I think the grave digger should be replaced by a dedicated necromancer.
Necromancers are way cooler.

Agreed 100% I think the problem becomes that we'd have 3 lower tier ranged units then in necro.
I think we can agree that necromancers aren't melee So unless tier 7 ? With raise dead / curse spell or something mirroring angels, more focused on utility then damage ?
Idk
But i wish i'd see necromancers on the battle field that's for sure!

[DecayWolf]

Originally posted by meh-nah:

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

BTW.

I think the grave digger should be replaced by a dedicated necromancer.
Necromancers are way cooler.

Agreed 100% I think the problem becomes that we'd have 3 lower tier ranged units then in necro.
I think we can agree that necromancers aren't melee So unless tier 7 ? With raise dead / curse spell or something mirroring angels, more focused on utility then damage ?
Idk
But i wish i'd see necromancers on the battle field that's for sure!

I may be wrong, but I think the specter/ghost is a core unit, therefore the grave digger would have to be an elite. Since it can summon units, makes sense to assume it's stronger than specters.

Core:
1. Skelly (can be ranged.)
2. Dogos. (melee)
3. Specter/elite core (melee)
Elite:
1. Dread Knight/strongest (melee)
2. Lich (ranged.)
3. Grave digger (IS ranged.)

Champion:
1. Vampire lords OR Bone Dragons

With that we would have:
1 core as ranged. (skelly)
2 elite as ranged. (lich / NECRO)
1 champion as ranged (vamps)

[Elveone]

Necromancer and Death Knights are the classes of the Necropolis heroes, those are not part of the unit line ups because of that.

Also the units in the video seem to be in the order of their tiers except for the Vampire which is the big reveal for a tier 7 unit.

[DecayWolf]

Lich is a more powerful version of an necromancer.
Could rename to dark acolyte, etc.

Arguing that dread knight and death knights are vastly different units is a stretch to say the least.

I believe "tiers" ever since VI is gone.
Now, units are classified based on Core, Elite and Champion ranks. At least stat wise, this seems to be trend. It's more balanced overhaul.

Still, it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that grave digger is the cannon unit of necropolis as of now. Which is objectively a lame unit.

[Elveone]

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

Lich is a more powerful version of an necromancer.
Could rename to dark acolyte, etc.

Arguing that dread knight and death knights are vastly different units is a stretch to say the least.

I believe "tiers" ever since VI is gone.
Now, units are classified based on Core, Elite and Champion ranks. At least stat wise, this seems to be trend. It's more balanced overhaul.

Still, it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that grave digger is the cannon unit of necropolis as of now. Which is objectively a lame unit.

Nope, the game is tier-based. Core, Elite and Champion ranks are the things that do not exist here. Also Death Knight is the character class and Dread Knight is the unit, again, they are intentionally named differently to differentiate them. It also doesn't make sense to rename the hero class to something else - it has been a Necromancer since forever(Heroes 2 if we want to be concrete).

[DecayWolf]

Originally posted by Elveone:

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

Lich is a more powerful version of an necromancer.
Could rename to dark acolyte, etc.

Arguing that dread knight and death knights are vastly different units is a stretch to say the least.

I believe "tiers" ever since VI is gone.
Now, units are classified based on Core, Elite and Champion ranks. At least stat wise, this seems to be trend. It's more balanced overhaul.

Still, it's irrelevant. What is relevant is that grave digger is the cannon unit of necropolis as of now. Which is objectively a lame unit.

Nope, the game is tier-based. Core, Elite and Champion ranks are the things that do not exist here. Also Death Knight is the character class and Dread Knight is the unit, again, they are intentionally named differently to differentiate them. It also doesn't make sense to rename the hero class to something else - it has been a Necromancer since forever(Heroes 2 if we want to be concrete).

I think you're just arguing for the sake of it.

1. If it will be the old tier system from H1 till 5, or the newer system from H6+, is completely irrelevant and makes no difference.

2. Dread knights and Death knights have a very similar kit. Their main difference is the a few different letters from a single word. Both are undead heavly armoured battle wizards, that use unholy magic primarily to further boost their martial prowess.

3. Since my first post I've said that the grave digger UNIT, should be replaced by another UNIT. Which could be a necromancer.
I even added a step further to add different options such as Mummy and Dark Acolyte as potential alternatives.

Now I'll further add more options, such as:
- Plague carrier; Capable of summoning skeletons and zombies, has an positive aura to nearby undead, which will ressurect fallen troops and boost their stats, and negative aura to any living unit.
- Brood Queen: An spider capable of CC and summoning spiders. Could even have a parasitic mechanic infested units would spawn a baby spider.
- Death Mage/Sorcerer/Wizard/Priest; For all effects and purposes, a necromancer renamed.
- Soulbinder: An unholy creature capable of summoning spirits at unrest and raising recently deceased humanoids into skeletons or skeleton creatures (depending on size), while also being ok in combat.

Just a few more extra alternative options of summoning creatures that are way cooler than the lame Grave Digger.


If we get grave Digger, what will be next? Death Farmer Knight as a "tier 6"/elite?
No thank you.

[Elveone]

1. I'm not arguing. I'm telling you how things work in this game - the game is tier based. When the individual Necropolis units were unveiled in discord the tier was in the units description.

2. Death Knight is a class, Dread Knight is a unit. The purpose of the different name is to differentiate them. Your personal fantasy classification of what is similar or not does not figure into the game.

3. Gravediggers are already necromancers with a different name. Your personal feelings of what is cool or not really doesn't affect what the unit already is. I personally feel like most of your ideas are generic or wishy-washy and do not fit the idea of a summoning unit to begin with.

[DecayWolf]

You must be trolling me or something.

Since the guy that does not want to argue just said the only different between dread knights and death knights is their name, and then proceed to name any different other than.

Grave diggers can not raise the death.
Necromancers do not carry shovel, nor waste their time digging unless they're an extremely low class necro on the very bottom chain, in a desesperate situation. Much rather a necromancer would sack a village, enact a ritual nearby a battlefield or graveyard or command their minions for the biding. I know it's fantasy and all that, but it's the equivalant as saying an Emperor is the same thing as a County. Or perhaps a bird and a dragon, both fly right?
Not to mention that a grave digger is a servant, an employer of a graveyard, a follower at best.
Necromancers can range from a big variety of different range of aspirations and background ambitions. They could come from fallen heroes to wicked soon to be lich.
But one thing necromencers have in common is, a deep desire to learn forbidden powerful magic. The often stronger than vanilla magic, makes them by default a much more fearsome foe to fight against.

Then again, the guy LITERALLY spam several posts about a ♥♥♥♥♥ point, and proceed to not show any other difference than letters from a word, on the same statement where he claimed difference (from a point that I had to made). I really hope this is trolling. Because otherwise you would actually believe in what you're saying, which is far worse. I hope is not the latter.

Anyways, your comment was noted. Moving on.

[MurlocAggroB]

It's not a gravedigger, it's a Graverobber. According to the creature's official backstory, it's "An opportunist who followed undead masters to help them produce skeletons and bodies — in any way he could, either by digging old corpses up or creating new ones."

So, it's a zombie raised as a servant, who's tasked with digging up skeletons for the necromancers to raise and killing people.