Every Class is just Mage

[UnlivingEnd]

Why are there no true martial classes? (No, stamina builds don't count, casting spells with stamina makes no sense)

[AmaiAmai]

Because it makes no sense not to use a tool if you have access to one that could make life easier?

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Because it makes no sense not to use a tool if you have access to one that could make life easier?

Right. but magic in the elder scrolls universe isn't something anyone can just pick up and learn. It's a discipline that it would take years of study for a normal person to even begin manifesting the most basic parlor tricks. On top of that magic requires expensive resources to properly study.

[Keyrala]

Just don't learn magic powers.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Keyrala:

Just don't learn magic powers.

Every class starts with them.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

Because it makes no sense not to use a tool if you have access to one that could make life easier?

Right. but magic in the elder scrolls universe isn't something anyone can just pick up and learn. It's a discipline that it would take years of study for a normal person to even begin manifesting the most basic parlor tricks. On top of that magic requires expensive resources to properly study.

The Vestige isn't a normal person, so that logic doesn't apply here. Remember that lorewise every player in ESO is actually just one person - the Vestige. They are a champion of an era, similar to the Nerevarine in TES3 or the Dragonborn in TES5. They have abilities far beyond that of your average person.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Right. but magic in the elder scrolls universe isn't something anyone can just pick up and learn. It's a discipline that it would take years of study for a normal person to even begin manifesting the most basic parlor tricks. On top of that magic requires expensive resources to properly study.

The Vestige isn't a normal person, so that logic doesn't apply here. Remember that lorewise every player in ESO is actually just one person - the Vestige. They are a champion of an era, similar to the Nerevarine in TES3 or the Dragonborn in TES5. They have abilities far beyond that of your average person.

That's not my main point. I'm saying that the game doesn't even give you an option to play a pure martial warrior. The vestige is supposed to be the players creation and could come from any background, magical or not. Statistically speaking the Vestige would have a greater chance of not having a magical background.

[Morvan]

You do have an option to play as pure martial warrior, that's what weapon skills are for, if you don't want anything magic related, just use weapon skills only.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

The Vestige isn't a normal person, so that logic doesn't apply here. Remember that lorewise every player in ESO is actually just one person - the Vestige. They are a champion of an era, similar to the Nerevarine in TES3 or the Dragonborn in TES5. They have abilities far beyond that of your average person.

That's not my main point. I'm saying that the game doesn't even give you an option to play a pure martial warrior. The vestige is supposed to be the players creation and could come from any background, magical or not.

The Vestige isn't a pure martial warrior. That's why. They have innate magical abilities, which is why every class available to you has some kind of magic therein.

Also because game system-wise, locking you out from an entire resource pool (Magicka) would gimp your character, since so many abilities require it.

That said, nothings stopping anyone from trying to build a stam-only character. It's certainly possible. Just not efficient.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

That's not my main point. I'm saying that the game doesn't even give you an option to play a pure martial warrior. The vestige is supposed to be the players creation and could come from any background, magical or not.

The Vestige isn't a pure martial warrior. That's why. They have innate magical abilities, which is why every class available to you has some kind of magic therein.

So did the dragonborn. And yet you could play as a martial warrior with no magic. If your referring to the soul magic, it's already entirely up to the player to use it or not.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

The Vestige isn't a pure martial warrior. That's why. They have innate magical abilities, which is why every class available to you has some kind of magic therein.

So did the dragonborn. And yet you could play as a martial warrior with no magic. If your referring to the soul magic, it's already entirely up to the player to use it or not.

The Dragonborn was imbued with dragon magic by absorbing dragon souls. Even if you played as a warrior, you still had magical abilities. You just didn't have to tap into Magicka to use them.

Keep in mind that not all magic uses Magicka. Magicka flows from Aetherius and into Mundus via the stars and the sun, so its always available, but certain magic can also derive its power from other sources such as dragons, Aedra, or even Daedra.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Morvan:

You do have an option to play as pure martial warrior, that's what weapon skills are for, if you don't want anything magic related, just use weapon skills only.

Except you can't start out only investing weapon skill trees and they take too long to train, making them impractical to use for several hours of game play. On top of that, the game is in no way balanced to be played that way.

[Morvan]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

So did the dragonborn. And yet you could play as a martial warrior with no magic. If your referring to the soul magic, it's already entirely up to the player to use it or not.

And so does the Vestige, there's literally a thing called "Martial Damage" that includes all the non magical types of damage.

You can easily make a completely non magical character, it will be weak, but still very possible.

[Morvan]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Except you can't start out only investing weapon skill trees and they take too long to train, making them impractical to use for several hours of game play. On top of that, the game is in no way balanced to be played that way.

Well, 90% of the playerbase are using completely trash builds, so I wouldn't worry much about that.

[UnlivingEnd]

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

So did the dragonborn. And yet you could play as a martial warrior with no magic. If your referring to the soul magic, it's already entirely up to the player to use it or not.

The Dragonborn was imbued with dragon magic by absorbing dragon souls. Even if you played as a warrior, you still had magical abilities. You just didn't have to tap into Magicka to use them.

Technically it's not magic exactly. Shouts are part of a specific class of world altering powers that do not interact with magica. But anyway, My point is in Skyrim, if you wanted to run around with a two handed sword and never cast a single spell you could. Every elder scrolls game had that option. Why not in ESO?

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by UnlivingEnd:

Originally posted by Vyrtualis:

The Dragonborn was imbued with dragon magic by absorbing dragon souls. Even if you played as a warrior, you still had magical abilities. You just didn't have to tap into Magicka to use them.

Technically it's not magic exactly. Shouts are part of a specific class of world altering powers that do not interact with magica. But anyway, My point is in Skyrim, if you wanted to run around with a two handed sword and never cast a single spell you could. Every elder scrolls game had that option. Why not in ESO?

It's dragon magic, my man. It just doesn't require you to tap into Magicka to perform it. It is instead derived from the power of dragons, specifically Akatosh, the dragon god of time.