good god pvp

[ImprovKnight]

1 more day until this esports siege simulator test is over with. People play an mmo and put time in with builds can no longer use all of their builds now. Casuals should be punished for not trying to get good at a game and put time in like the rest of us but no they think an mmo should be like cod or an esports game. The celiling is so low now its super boring and if this mode stays rip eso.

[Kyutaru]

If PVP is balanced around exploits and broken sets, it's not balanced at all.

[Halcyform]

Originally posted by ImprovKnight:

Casuals should be punished

Yeah, punish the majority population that not only made the game possible in the first place but also makes future content possible.

Nice idea, genius.

[ILoveRiyoChuchi]

The era of builds is over. Now is the time of skill based combat! Muahaha!

[ImprovKnight]

So get rid of op sets not every set. Allow freedom as they always said "Play HOW You Want" and also, Halcyform, us vets are being punished so what is your argument? PVP should be competitive but to strip it down like its an esports game... that is criminal!

[ImprovKnight]

Freedom to make any build I want is why I play eso. If you want to play barebones pvp go play WOW....

[Tattoo]

dude... it was announced months in advance, and even during this week you have IC and BG.
Enough of this whiney melodrama.

[ImprovKnight]

its over in 1 day, thank god

[Halcyform]

Originally posted by ImprovKnight:

So get rid of op sets not every set. Allow freedom as they always said "Play HOW You Want" and also, Halcyform, us vets are being punished so what is your argument? PVP should be competitive but to strip it down like its an esports game... that is criminal!

MMO PvP is a losing bet in the first place. Always has been and always will be. The usual scenarios are: 1) Game mechanics suck right from that start OR 2) the game mechanics start out good but will be inevitably be destroyed by the devs anyway.

The usual formula with MMO PvP is that you have a very, very small minority of players (like top 1% of 1%) that can theorycraft mechanics with math, have some skill to use it and then devs decide to balance gameplay around that which destroys the experience for everyone.

Then you have the same thing taking place on the PvE side of things - which plays out the same and ruins the experience for everyone.

Now realize that most devs are smooth-brained, don't create separate templates for PvE and PvP and now the problems in both bleed into one another to create an even worse shat show.

PvP in ESO was never good and never will be. That's pretty much consistent across the board with MMOs. Look at what happened with WoW. PvP started out awesome but servers couldn't handle all the activity so they gutted it. As time went on, they trimmed it down further into the usual Esport genre. So let's not pretend that ESO is unique in this behavior.

Final Verdict: Avoid if your focus is on PvP. Play other games literally designed for player on player content. This game was created for the casual playerbase to enjoy more Elder Scrolls lore/content and PvP was an afterthought.

[Elendir Blue]

Normal Cryo (GH and rest) are as broken as Vengeance. They are just broken in different way. If you think that you are good player ruling at GH or BR, than you are just lying to yourself.

Main difference is, that Vengeance pulled ZOS out of their *** in few moments. When GH and BR got to this cesspool state during years of development.

[ImprovKnight]

All they need to do is remove the most op sets and eliminate ball groups buy stopping heal stacks and still can keep the freedom of builds. Like making pvp bare bone basic is stupid asf. All those people who spent hours upon hours grinding transmute crystals and alliance points to get sets and people who spent hours unlocking crafting. Like if they keep vengeance its a slap in the face to those people who grinded. They keep vengeance, there is literally no reason for vets to play the game anymore for pvp because AP points will be useless, all sets grinded in dungeons or crafted or bought in pvp will be useless. All the crafting they did will be useless. Like RIP ESO if this happens full time! How about they give us this mode for the noob pve'rs then keep the old cyro for us vets. EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY AND EVERYONE can play how they want.

[AmaiAmai]

Originally posted by ImprovKnight:

All they need to do is remove the most op sets and eliminate ball groups buy stopping heal stacks and still can keep the freedom of builds. Like making pvp bare bone basic is stupid asf. All those people who spent hours upon hours grinding transmute crystals and alliance points to get sets and people who spent hours unlocking crafting. Like if they keep vengeance its a slap in the face to those people who grinded. They keep vengeance, there is literally no reason for vets to play the game anymore for pvp because AP points will be useless, all sets grinded in dungeons or crafted or bought in pvp will be useless. All the crafting they did will be useless. Like RIP ESO if this happens full time! How about they give us this mode for the noob pve'rs then keep the old cyro for us vets. EVERYONE WILL BE HAPPY AND EVERYONE can play how they want.

When I can run around on a warden, spam polar every other second and weave in LAs until I can one shot you, never lose mag, never lose stam, have purge and run at max speed...

Tell me cross healing is the issue. On that build I am a literal god in the game and tanked over 50 people and killed them in a tower. In BGs I never die. Ballgroups cannot do a thing to me on that build and I am there wiping them.

The game simply isn't balanced on a micro and macro scale in any measure. Three classes are absolute dogwater in PvP : Arcanist, Templar, and Necro, while the other classes all have mechanics to carry them that are flat broken.

Sorc and NB especially. The test literally proved that invisibility is a broken mechanic because you could literally do nothing to NBs that cloaked unless you predicted exactly where they would move, while they can just cloak and heal up over and over.

But we can keep pretending it's all about skill -- that's why no one cares about ESO PvP videos except casual audiences, and no real PvPers that play shooters, fighting, or other games care about ESO either.

I'd say a racing game is more balanced than ESO at this point -- at least everyone has the chance to choose the same car instead of artificial nonsense because the balancers (like GilliamTheRouge) have a massive bias against certain classes because he gets farmed in IC every Midyear.

But don't worry, you'll be able to crutch on your mythics, your arena weapons, your DLC gear and everything else that gives you an advantage soon.

Then you can pretend the game is back to being "skillful" when all that mattered was your gear, which is exactly what the test showed.

By the way, I still "1vXed" alone in the test conditions and stood in breach and fought outnumbered. Being able to locate the roll and block buttons help -- something most don't have to do when gear is reducing damage (Roruken, Sea Serpent mythics), gear is healing them, etc.

I completely understand the need to be carried by gear bruh

[ಠ_ಠ Uhuu]

PvP = always reasons to whine

[76561199495650057]

Originally posted by ಠ_ಠ Uhuu:

PvP = always reasons to whine

only whine when u can point out which of them are whine point.
at least i see many facts of unbalancing etc

[Mr Conspicuous]

Well either fix PVP or it will end up a ghost town. PVP is a main feature offered yet so few take part for a reason. PVP should be skill based... ESO PVP isn't skill based, it's set based. Yet nearly all sets in this game are completely useless. There's no theory craft on builds anymore because everyone's running the same build.

Battlegrounds are prime example of unbalanced sets. Even if you take 10-49 for example. You get guys with 45 kills and 2 deaths just going through 8 man's like lawn mower through grass. Trust me it's not because of skill... it's because they have given themselves best gear and everyone else running stuff they have looted. No one wants to play with that garbo. It's why queue for a BG sometimes is 17 minutes.

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by ImprovKnight:

1 more day until this esports siege simulator test is over with. People play an mmo and put time in with builds can no longer use all of their builds now. Casuals should be punished for not trying to get good at a game and put time in like the rest of us but no they think an mmo should be like cod or an esports game. The celiling is so low now its super boring and if this mode stays rip eso.

Yeah punish “casuals” spoken like a true toxic elitist. People like you are the reason this game is circling the drain and why the majority aka “casuals” leave this game for other games.