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cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:10am
Whats the deal with gods?
Apperently anyone can be a diety. Vivec some kind of elf, several daedra prince even some female still go by prince. Dragons ? can anyone explain to me how someone or something becomes a god in elder scrolls ?
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Turtleswatter May 17, 2021 @ 10:15am 
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tamriel

Be careful what you ask for ......... :D
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:17am 
is it that bad ? i cant look at link now
Spidder81 May 17, 2021 @ 10:24am 
Here is a link for your answer https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Tribunal

Simple answer is The Tribunal (Vivec, Almalexia and Sotha Sil) as well as Dagoth Ur achieved godhood basically by tapping the Heart of Lorkhan on power. Once the Heart was destroyed (or rather, freed), they all lost their godly powers. Vivec remains, though, for he also achieved something much more powerful than godhood - he has CHIM (https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/CHIM)
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cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:31am 
how about all the other gods there so many kindas
Psyringe May 17, 2021 @ 10:31am 
Originally posted by cire87:
Apperently anyone can be a diety. Vivec some kind of elf,
Theoretically, yes. Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil obtained godlike powers from the Heart of Lorkhan (which, allegedly, does contain the essence of one of the oldest gods in the Elder Scrolls mythology). It wasn't an easy or even just "clean" process, it required the spilling of blood as well as the use of mysterious Dwemer technology, and the older deities (like Azura) will always look down on AlmSiVi as "impostors". But yes - it has been proven that godlike powers and near-immortality _can_ be obtained by mortals.

Originally posted by cire87:
several daedra prince even some female still go by prince.
There are no "female" daedric princes. Nor are there "male" ones. Gender is a mortal concept that does not apply to daedric princes, who can choose to manifest themselves in the form they like. Some usually appear in a male form, some in a female one, some appear as ... things (Hermaeus Mora for example), and at least one (Boethia) has been known to use both genders. But since none of them have any _inherent_ gender, they are always referred to as "princes" in the gender-neutral sense. Even Azura and Meridia, who consistenly appear as women, are considered Daedric Princess, not "Princesses", because they have no inherent gender.

Originally posted by cire87:
Dragons ?
Dragons are extremely powerful beings, but apart from Akatosh (the "father" of the dragons) they are usually not considered gods. The difference might be mostly just in semantics, though.

Originally posted by cire87:
can anyone explain to me how someone or something becomes a god in elder scrolls ?
Too many different ways to count, and too many different mythologies to settle on a "true" one. The world of Elder Scrolls is full of ancient and powerful beings, which came to be that way by various completely different processes. Whether that makes them gods ... well, I guess ultimately that's just a label that gets slapped onto them if/when they get worshipped.
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cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:32am 
not in eso timeline but even talos is considered a god
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:34am 
how many gods at any given time ?
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:35am 
Originally posted by Psyringe:
Originally posted by cire87:
Apperently anyone can be a diety. Vivec some kind of elf,
Theoretically, yes. Vivec, Almalexia, and Sotha Sil obtained godlike powers from the Heart of Lorkhan (which, allegedly, does contain the essence of one of the oldest gods in the Elder Scrolls mythology). It wasn't an easy or even just "clean" process, it required the spilling of blood as well as the use of mysterious Dwemer technology, and the older deities (like Azura) will always look down on AlmSiVi as "impostors". But yes - it has been proven that godlike powers and near-immortality _can_ be obtained by mortals.

Originally posted by cire87:
several daedra prince even some female still go by prince.
There are no "female" daedric princes. Nor are there "male" ones. Gender is a mortal concept that does not apply to daedric princes, who can choose to manifest themselves in the form they like. Some usually appear in a male form, some in a female one, some appear as ... things (Hermaeus Mora for example), and at least one (Boethia) has been known to use both genders. But since none of them have any _inherent_ gender, they are always referred to as "princes" in the gender-neutral sense. Even Azura and Meridia, who consistenly appear as women, are considered Daedric Princess, not "Princesses", because they have no inherent gender.

Originally posted by cire87:
Dragons ?
Dragons are extremely powerful beings, but apart from Akatosh (the "father" of the dragons) they are usually not considered gods. The difference might be mostly just in semantics, though.

can anyone explain to me how someone or something becomes a god in elder scrolls ?
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thank you this helped alot
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:37am 
also whats the difference between dremora and daedra ?
Psyringe May 17, 2021 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by cire87:
not in eso timeline but even talos is considered a god
Yes, but (similar to AlmSiVi) that's also disputed. For people that adhere to the Imperial faith of the Nine Divines, Talos ascended to godhood. For people who still believe in the pantheon of the Eight Divines (the Thalmor for example), this is heresy, hence they outlawed the worship of Thalos during the time of TES5: Skyrim.

Originally posted by cire87:
how many gods at any given time ?
No one knows. Probably too many to count.

Generally, Elder Scrolls lore consists of more than a dozen of regional myths (and many variations of those) that span several millennia. There is no single religion in Elder Scrolls, rather, it's a potpourri of countless sects and cults whose stories and beliefs often overlap, but also differ substantially in other details.
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Psyringe May 17, 2021 @ 10:53am 
Originally posted by cire87:
also whats the difference between dremora and daedra ?
Daedra are a diverse group of spirits that manifested themselves early in the creation. Most of them took an animalistic form (Scamp, Ogrim, Daedroth, etc.), but not all - Golden Saints for example are intelligent beings, they can talk and formed some sort of culture at least on the Shivering Isles.

Dremora are less raw, less animalistic. They are a people, they formed a fairly complex (though, to humans, alien) civilization with rules, traditions, and ideals. I don't think it's clear how they originated, but they _are_ usually in the service of some of the Daedric Princes.
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:54am 
were the 8 divines daedra aswell ? or just mortals that grew into godhood?
cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 10:55am 
is akotash one of the 8 divines ?
Psyringe May 17, 2021 @ 11:07am 
Originally posted by cire87:
were the 8 divines daedra aswell ? or just mortals that grew into godhood?
Like most things in Elder Scrolls mythology, this isn't clear and different cults believe different things.

For example, take Arkay, the Divine that is associated with death. According to some beliefs, he is one of the most ancient forces in the universe, personifying a fundamental principle of existence that is as old as time itself. This would make him older than any other Divine except perhaps Akatosh, who is associated with time.

According to other groups, he is just a divine being that defies further investigation, but is on the same level as the others in the Eight/Nine Divines pantheon.

And then there are groups that believe that Arkay was a mortal merchant who achieved godhood as part of a bargain.

And for all these different beliefs, you can find evidence in the Lore - mostly in the many hundreds of books that exist in all the Elder Scrolls games.

Again - possibly the most important thing to understand when dealing with Elder Scrolls lore (and its mythology in particular) is that there are no absolute truths. There are just lots of different sources who sometimes agree with each other, but also often contradict each other. Almost all information is always conveyed through unreliable narrators - their accounts _may_ be true, but they also might not. We don't know.

It's very similar to the real world. More than a billion people believe in Christ, but the details differ tremendously. Some believe that he was a divine being who performed wonders. Some believe that he was a human with a divine "spark". Some believe that he was a "normal" human priest and philosopher whose story got embellished into divinity. Some believe that he never existed, but was made up by Romans as a personification of a particular mystery cult. There are dozens of different accounts of his life (not just the 4 that got canonized into the Bible) with hundreds of agreements and contradictions. And for each of these differing beliefs, you can find sources that support them.

Originally posted by cire87:
is akotash one of the 8 divines ?
Akatosh - yes. He's often seen as the "first", "oldest", or "father" of the other Divines.
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cire87 May 17, 2021 @ 11:24am 
You used arkay as an example, does he take a form of a human, elf, argonian etc?
Akatosh is a dragon but what about the rest ?
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