Question for people at endgame/veterans

[proklos diadochus]

What's the best class for dual wielding? I've seen many builds from players like deltia but none of them use dual wielding with any class. Kinda disappoing because I love using dual wielding, on skyrim it was what I always used.
Another question is, how is the endgame pvp system? Does the factions controls land? Is there an overpower faction ? I'm kinda scary because everyone in the leaderboard is either from AD or Daggerfall, does this impact cyrodill or its an off-side battleground?

[purple]

irs ep the ones that have biggest amout of played and the pvp "was"amazing back in 1.5- but not..... not so good its all zergs you run for 10 min just to run into a group of 30+ the pvp is still really fun IF you dont run into zergs but they are adding arenas and dualing and battleground in 2016 so that will be soo damn good but a big problem in pvp right now is the zergs all they do is give you a 999+ping and 20-fps everyone blames zos for the lag but they way i see it when im playing early morning or late night i have no lag at all its when all the guilds ect come online and make the server total ♥♥♥♥ i dont really see what zos can to to fix 30+ people spamming heal ect to make the server any better because everyone just gord to the same place on the map noone is spread out andthe players are blaming zos pft its not there fault they cant do anything about sooo many peopel all in one place spamming aoes and heals thats all down to the players i agrea with people in some way like zos could give people a reason to spread out but thats about it i dont care what engine the game is running on that many people in one place will always cause lag its down to the player yet they are the ones crying about lag yet they cause it and dual can be good if you build right it has the best aoe in the game and deltia is a really good pve player but if you are looking for a really good end game pvp build go to sypherpk and if you want stam sorc fengrush

[proklos diadochus]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐:

irs ep the ones that have biggest amout of played and the pvp "was"amazing back in 1.5- but not..... not so good its all zergs you run for 10 min just to run into a group of 30+ the pvp is still really fun IF you dont run into zergs but they are adding arenas and dualing and battleground in 2016 so that will be soo damn good but a big problem in pvp right now is the zergs all they do is give you a 999+ping and 20-fps everyone blames zos for the lag but they way i see it when im playing early morning or late night i have no lag at all its when all the guilds ect come online and make the server total ♥♥♥♥ i dont really see what zos can to to fix 30+ people spamming heal ect to make the server any better because everyone just gord to the same place on the map noone is spread out andthe players are blaming zos pft its not there fault they cant do anything about sooo many peopel all in one place spamming aoes and heals thats all down to the players i agrea with people in some way like zos could give people a reason to spread out but thats about it i dont care what engine the game is running on that many people in one place will always cause lag its down to the player yet they are the ones crying about lag yet they cause it and dual can be good if you build right it has the best aoe in the game and deltia is a really good pve player but if you are looking for a really good end game pvp build go to sypherpk and if you want stam sorc fengrush

thanks

[Ratio decidendi]

You can use dual wield on any class, its effectiveness depends on your build and your rotation.

For stamina builds, dual wield is quite strong outside of PvP, due to the Steel Tornado skill which acts as AoE skill and an execute skill (due to dual wield passive). It is really the second best AoE skill in-game, after Magicka Detonation (from alliance assault tree). Templar and Nightblade have more class skills that synergise well with dual wield passive and skills than DK or Sorc. If you were to choose one of them to use primarily, dual wield skills, I'd recommend one of the former classes.

Other than the obvious stamina based builds, you can also utilise dual wield for magicka builds with significant effects.

For magicka sorc, you can dual wield on your back bar with Mages' Wrath and Liquid Lightning. This gives you higher spell damage boost than a staff would do. If you are dual wielding swords, you can take advantage of the Twin Blade passive for extra 5% boost to damage as well. You don't actually use the swords though, you are just equipping for the damage increase. Note that the breakpoint between the spell damage increase of dual wield relative to 2h sits at around 41k magicka. So, if you have less than 41k max magicka, dual wield will be better; otherwise, 2h will give you a greater effective spell damage boost.

It is similar for magicka nb, where you dual wield on back bar for Impale (execute) damage, which can do over 20k damage per hit depending on stats.

For magicka temp, you should use dual wield for both bars, unless you need backbar for healing support. Puncturing Sweep is the best damage skills for magicka templar, given its damage, healing and resource management potential of the class, dual wield is much better than using a staff for any Puncturing Sweep-based builds.

It is less effective for DK though, since they lack a dedicated execute skill for magicka builds. Also, their increased fire damage favour the use of inferno staff over dual wield in their regular attack rotations.

[proklos diadochus]

Opprinnelig skrevet av The Nerevarine:

You can use dual wield on any class, its effectiveness depends on your build and your rotation.

For stamina builds, dual wield is quite strong outside of PvP, due to the Steel Tornado skill which acts as AoE skill and an execute skill (due to dual wield passive). It is really the second best AoE skill in-game, after Magicka Detonation (from alliance assault tree). Templar and Nightblade have more class skills that synergise well with dual wield passive and skills than DK or Sorc. If you were to choose one of them to use primarily, dual wield skills, I'd recommend one of the former classes.

Other than the obvious stamina based builds, you can also utilise dual wield for magicka builds with significant effects.

For magicka sorc, you can dual wield on your back bar with Mages' Wrath and Liquid Lightning. This gives you higher spell damage boost than a staff would do. If you are dual wielding swords, you can take advantage of the Twin Blade passive for extra 5% boost to damage as well. You don't actually use the swords though, you are just equipping for the damage increase. Note that the breakpoint between the spell damage increase of dual wield relative to 2h sits at around 41k magicka. So, if you have less than 41k max magicka, dual wield will be better; otherwise, 2h will give you a greater effective spell damage boost.

It is similar for magicka nb, where you dual wield on back bar for Impale (execute) damage, which can do over 20k damage per hit depending on stats.

For magicka temp, you should use dual wield for both bars, unless you need backbar for healing support. Puncturing Sweep is the best damage skills for magicka templar, given its damage, healing and resource management potential of the class, dual wield is much better than using a staff for any Puncturing Sweep-based builds.

It is less effective for DK though, since they lack a dedicated execute skill for magicka builds. Also, their increased fire damage favour the use of inferno staff over dual wield in their regular attack rotations.

Thanks. Can you recommend me some sourcers of builds?

[Ratio decidendi]

I would recommend looking up Tamriel Foundry. There are some very good theorycrafters and very skilled players there.

Anyway, if you are reading about builds, make sure to look at what champion points they are designed for. Champion points are game-changing; optimal skill rotation and gears are dependent on efficient allocation of the points. Consistent rotations can be difficult to execute if you are stuggling to maintain the resources required or attain the stats required to efficiently kill things and survive.

[proklos diadochus]

Opprinnelig skrevet av The Nerevarine:

I would recommend looking up Tamriel Foundry. There are some very good theorycrafters and very skilled players there.

Anyway, if you are reading about builds, make sure to look at what champion points they are designed for. Champion points are game-changing; optimal skill rotation and gears are dependent on efficient allocation of the points. Consistent rotations can be difficult to execute if you are stuggling to maintain the resources required or attain the stats required to efficiently kill things and survive.

Thanks again. I'm assuming you are very experienced in this game so tell me. Do you think it is possible to be competitive stamina dual wield DK pvping and pveing or to be a competitive dual wield user I HAVE TO make a templar or a NB? Also, do you see good stam DKs pvping with DW or all of them use 2h/Sword and shield?

[Ratio decidendi]

Depends on how much time you have and are willing to invest in this game.

The optimal race, class and build can change from one patch to another. You can choose to make the most out of one character, go with a race that offers versatility and a class that is reasonably balanced in all aspects (sustained and burst damage, healing and cc utility and resource management/regen). Or you can roll a new character, new race, new class after every major update, when the meta shifts. I used to roll a new character for major updates, prior to update 1.5, but I don't have the time to do that since then.

The other thing is how 'competitive' you want to be. Choosing class, race, setting up builds and getting the gears are just the start. You need a lot of practice (hence time) on various endgame PvE dungeons or in PvP to become good. A lot of it comes from good timing and knowing how mechanics work. People who measure DPS benchmarks do them in optimal conditions and are usually quite experienced, you can certainly get there, but only if you have the time available. If you are chasing the leaderboard, you will probably be looking at once or twice a week of training with a dedicated group. I've ran with hardcore PvP groups that run for a few hours every night back in the very early days of ESO. Like I said, it all depends on time you have...much like any other MMORPG.

I don't play stam DK, so I cannot offer any useful advice on it. But 2h and Bow gives you reasonably good combination of damage, gap closing/cc and range, the weapon skills also synergise well with the class skills. With dual wield, the most useful skills are the Steel Tornado for AoE damage, Quick Cloak for the temporary movement speed buff and reduced AoE damage dealt and Hidden Blade for Weapon Damage buff. So you can adjust your other skills to complement these skills. You can also throw in Caltrops for DoT if you have it unlocked.

Regardless, you will need different sets of gear and skills for PvP from your PvE activities.