Guild Trade Rejection

[Smoochy]

I wanted to join a guild for trading and selling, but I was rejected solely because of my stats and CP. I find this abusive, and I've seen others talking negatively about it online.

We play for hours, but we still don’t have much gold. Inventories are limited, and joining a guild to sell doesn’t hurt anyone. If we’re not accepted, it’s really disappointing not to be able to take advantage of the system. We end up stuck, which makes the game experience frustrating.

For me, this is a rejection without a valid reason. We should be accepted everywhere in this game, even if we are low-level or new players. and i know i am not the only one .

[Puppy Lover]

Join a noob welcome/friendly guild instead a high level trading guild. Hiring and maintaining an auctioneer ain't cheap. Especially trade focused guilds, there are quotas that have to be met each week on item sales.

[MISO4EVER]

The whole point of trade guilds is to make money. High end trading is part of end game
If you are selling overland gear for 800g and white and green level junk for 200g your not gonna be beneficial to a high end trader.

They see low cp and noob status and they know it’s gonna be another seller who seller level 10 glyphs and low end potions and white level gear.

I run a trade guild so I know. There is tons of noob friendly traders who will accept this kind of thing apply to those.

Each guild master is free to run their guild how they see fit they won’t owe you anything

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by Puppy Lover:

Join a noob welcome/friendly guild instead a high level trading guild. Hiring and maintaining an auctioneer ain't cheap. Especially trade focused guilds, there are quotas that have to be met each week on item sales.

Exactly I run a trade guild, the amount of butthurt from people whining when we enforce rules to keep our trader or just overall not pulling their weight is off the charts.

[AmaiAmai]

This is what happens when developers design systems and don't think about the long-term implications.

Before the crash of the game's economy, you wouldn't even be able to make gear or buy it without wasting 1000s of hours if you are low-level unless someone gifted you some.

At the end of the day, it's all signs of a game in decline. But don't worry, ZOS will fix that by cutting content, milking DLC, and adding "features" that worsen QoL so they can sell you back QoL.

Wow, what a "creative" mind we have at the helm. Certainly must be since so many are defending and embracing said misguided changes.

Ultimately, it's your time. Is grinding in a stupid video game with ambivalent developers really worth your time?

For many it is not. For me, I had more fun teaching kids how to do math for free. I only log in for 8 hours a week max.

Good luck enjoying the game.

[Alun1]

there are several guilds in guild finder that don't require trading quota's or certain CP levels.

they may not be "top end" guilds but they provide a similar function, you just need to scroll down the list a bit.

[Halcyform]

There are many social guilds out there that include a trading location in main guild or run a separate sister guild for trading. These guilds will have low to no fees unlike high end dedicated trade guilds that enforce quotas/fees so they can compete for the best locations.

Based on your info of lack of stats and CP, this would indicate that you are either a new player or one that has a playtime that's below average. A mid to higher end trade guild is not likely to consider your application because there's a reasonable assumption that you will either not meet quotas or can't pay the fee required to keep your guild seat. It's no different than HR glancing at a lackluster resume and immediately tossing it because it doesn't meet minimum requirements and, statistically, isn't worth the man-hours taking a chance on it when there are better candidates readily available.

There's also that mindset where people think others owe them something "just because". That only leads you down a road of bad experiences.

Compared to so many other mmos that have a global auction house, I find ESO's system better because it supports a structure for both macro and micro economies. It fosters a system where you actually interact with others to build a contact base within, and outside of, your guild. This does not take long to establish, and once you have it going, it'll be far superior to a global auction house experience.

A side benefit to ESO's system is that you don't run into the usual problem of trying to compete with people running auction house mods that turn the game's trading experience into a scat fest.

[NJord]

It's not that deep

[Zayrownd]

Originally posted by Smoochy:

For me, this is a rejection without a valid reason. We should be accepted everywhere in this game, even if we are low-level or new players. and i know i am not the only one .

i've read your comment on another post/discussion and you say that you wanted to sell level 4,8,25 gear and tbh, thats trash gear, no one will pay good ammount of money for trash gear, if you want gold, just sell that gear to an npc, that way you will make more gold.

If you want to sell gear, post the ones that are level 50 (champion 160), below of that level is worthless.

Also, administrators of guild traders have to bid a min of 200M gold for a good zone, and if they acept you, you barely make the weekly quota bc you will take a slot of someone who can reach those reqs.

[Sly-Scale]

Originally posted by Smoochy:

joining a guild to sell doesn’t hurt anyone.

It absolutely can. Guilds can only have up to 500 people, and those guilds bid millions of gold to have a vendor for a single week, where they can sell to the public. There's only about 100 of these vendors, so there's very, very stiff (and sometimes even hostile) competition for those spots.

According to Zayrowned, the weekly bid of 200M gold means every guild member has to pay 57k gold every day. They pay this daily 57k via dues, raffle tickets, and by a percentage cut from their own sales. If the percentage cut is, say, 10%... you'd have to move 570k gold worth of goods on a daily basis. Every day. No weekends. Forever.

You have to know what sells, what doesn't, and the "equilibrium price" of everything. Where they sell quickly, but not too quickly, and sell for enough money, but not too much money that you wait forever to get a customer. Time is money... or in other words, every hour is 2,375 gold. If we exclude the 16 hours of sleeping and working a job, that figure would look more like 7,125/hour.

And you're gonna need add-ons to tell you this, and a lot of intuition on your own part. I say intuition, because I have those add-ons and I still can't figure out how much everything actually sells for. I have the amount of CP that they're asking... but I personally haven't figured out how I'm supposed to fill up 30 item slots and get them emptied, at an average of 19k gold per item slot, to fulfill the daily 570k gold quota.

If you're going to a high-end, high-level, end-game trading guild, you're walking into this kind of scene. You're basically competing with somebody who's downloaded the add-ons, owns the latest dungeons, knows how the game works, understands the player market, has the CP, and can farm those places for the newest crafting motifs. If you can't speedrun veteran DLC content like those other players can -- as in, have at least 1,500 CP -- you can't make enough money for their standards. And if you can't make enough money, you aren't helping to pay for that guild's weekly bids. And if you aren't, they'll find somebody who will.

Some guilds pick the 3 busiest zones in ESO (Deshaan, Elden Root, Wayrest) to do business, and those guilds pay top gold to hold those places. Those ones literally can't afford you. If they tried, they'd be out-bid by somebody else. In fact, the guilds that are denying you are the ones who out-bid and replaced the guilds who would've accepted you.

I speak on behalf of the ruthless player market, when I say there's no equity or inclusion here. You either crank those numbers, or you get replaced like a busted cogwheel. Sorry, but that's how those guilds (who, I must remind, crushed the kind-hearted guilds like this is a PvP game) operate.

I know this, because I can barely remember to pay 3k gold every week to a trading guild that I'm in.

P.S. Oh, and I'm not including the trading guilds who operate on an economic blitz. Where they actually don't hold a guild vendor slot every week, but rather they aggressively out-bid their competition, so they can do business during an event (Zeal of Zenithar especially...) or the first week of a major update. Where those guilds come and go, and their business booms and crashes, booms and crashes. Where they sell big when the most players are online, and then recover when things quiet down.
If you're trying to get into one of those guilds, you'd better have hundreds of million-gold deals lined up and ready to make with players. Where it doesn't matter that your customers are taking hot deals at 30% off, you've got enough gold-quality PvP gear to last the entire week before the economic blitz is over.