Tales of Tribute needs a rework in matchmaking

[SirNikolai]

If we do not have the bloody deck DO NOT PUT UP AGAINST THESE NO LIFERS. You cannot ranked up in that bloody side card game.

[Zayrownd]

you only played like an hour or two in total and went direct to try tot? lol

[WarPigeon]

It shouldn't matter if you don't have the deck because you can use all the cards they have. It's probably the most fair pvp in the game.

[bean]

You are not going to get an honest answer on the ESO forums, neither here nor the official one. Eso players are in the game or have moved on and what is left is a small group of highly motivated trolls looking to get threads closed / people banned.

You can check player made resources (discord, youtube, fansites etc.) to get to the truth about trials of tribute and Eso as a whole. Matchmaking issues are the little pictures on the flag on tip of the iceberg that sank ToT

as far as the decks go it is not really unfair because you will ultimately have to learn to play against them anyways just like the person who is using it against you did. same as every pvp game, card games are notoriously bad when it comes to seeing mechanics for the first (few) time(s)

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by bean:

card games are notoriously bad when it comes to seeing mechanics for the first (few) time(s)

This is a fair criticism, and why I normally don't like card games. ToT is one of the first card games that I liked in a long while because it does its best to mitigate this issue. You can check all the cards ahead of time, and unlike other card games there are far fewer cards that you need to memorize.

Still, playing against NPCs is recommended before you enter ranked. The biggest handicap in this game is not automatically knowing what each card does right when you see it, so until you are at that point you will lose to other players who are able to do that.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by bean:

card games are notoriously bad when it comes to seeing mechanics for the first (few) time(s)

This is a fair criticism, and why I normally don't like card games. ToT is one of the first card games that I liked in a long while because it does its best to mitigate this issue. You can check all the cards ahead of time, and unlike other card games there are far fewer cards that you need to memorize.

Still, playing against NPCs is recommended before you enter ranked. The biggest handicap in this game is not automatically knowing what each card does right when you see it, so until you are at that point you will lose to other players who are able to do that.

OP: if you want some tips, I can help coach you so that you can at least get to quicksilver, maybe rubedite rank. You should be able to do that with some cookie-cutter strategies that I can teach you fairly quickly. To get in the top 100 though you will need to learn the cards, as I mentioned earlier.

[SirNikolai]

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

you only played like an hour or two in total and went direct to try tot? lol

Assuming a lot. I've played for 2 years on console ps5/ps4. I'm a still a collector/achievement hunter or trophy hunter whatever you like to call it lad.. I bought ESO on steam when it was on sale so if I did quit console gaming altogether.....

[SirNikolai]

Originally posted by bean:

You are not going to get an honest answer on the ESO forums, neither here nor the official one. Eso players are in the game or have moved on and what is left is a small group of highly motivated trolls looking to get threads closed / people banned.

You can check player made resources (discord, youtube, fansites etc.) to get to the truth about trials of tribute and Eso as a whole. Matchmaking issues are the little pictures on the flag on tip of the iceberg that sank ToT

as far as the decks go it is not really unfair because you will ultimately have to learn to play against them anyways just like the person who is using it against you did. same as every pvp game, card games are notoriously bad when it comes to seeing mechanics for the first (few) time(s)

NPC's are built different which some of them do the same BS over & over to win. yet they offer to little to no reward in ranking up versus facing real players.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

Originally posted by bean:

You are not going to get an honest answer on the ESO forums, neither here nor the official one. Eso players are in the game or have moved on and what is left is a small group of highly motivated trolls looking to get threads closed / people banned.

You can check player made resources (discord, youtube, fansites etc.) to get to the truth about trials of tribute and Eso as a whole. Matchmaking issues are the little pictures on the flag on tip of the iceberg that sank ToT

as far as the decks go it is not really unfair because you will ultimately have to learn to play against them anyways just like the person who is using it against you did. same as every pvp game, card games are notoriously bad when it comes to seeing mechanics for the first (few) time(s)

NPC's are built different which some of them do the same BS over & over to win. yet they offer to little to no reward in ranking up versus facing real players.

NPCs are basically a chance to learn what each card does, so that when you see them in a PVP game you instantly know what your strategy options are.

They offer little to no rewards because once you get to that point, you can beat them with little to no effort.

[SirNikolai]

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

NPC's are built different which some of them do the same BS over & over to win. yet they offer to little to no reward in ranking up versus facing real players.

NPCs are basically a chance to learn what each card does, so that when you see them in a PVP game you instantly know what your strategy options are.

They offer little to no rewards because once you get to that point, you can beat them with little to no effort.

Some npcs still manage to win regardless of what stupidity they do.

[WarPigeon]

I mean, yeah, it's a card game, so if you get a really bad setup you can still lose. However, if the rewards for playing against npcs were much better it would outweigh the rewards of any other activity in the game (when you take difficulty and efficiency into account).

[bean]

NPCs are useless for learning advanced gameplay mechanics. Perhaps if you could forego a reward in order to pick which patrons the npc uses so that you can practice vs unfamiliar decks or try out combos then the npcs would have some tangible benefit, but you can't.

The npcs are VERY easy to beat, they used to be even easier before the update to tribute (about a year ago) where they nerfed player matches and 'buffed' the npcs.

I posted a response on this thread last night but then deleted it because I really don't feel like dealing with highly motivated trolls and their incentivized harassment of players. Just look at the first page of the forums and you will see the same group harassing users until they can get a rise out of them or bait them into divulging information that the trolls can then report and get the person banned and the thread buried. Shameful behavior that is very off-putting and pushes new players away.

full disclosure, I am a no-life extra sweaty super high rank tribute player, if you REALLY want to get into tribute add me on steam and ill give you honest answers and if you are on the US server we can do a bit of a crash course in-game.

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

Some npcs still manage to win regardless of what stupidity they do.

you are not wrong about this and unfortunately it is not limited to npcs

I suggest forgetting about tribute unless you REALLY like the card game, if you are looking for the rewards and xp, stick to doing the npc dailies and then play a friend for the pvp daily and then go do something else. If you really really REALLY like the card game and want to play competitive / ranked then you should deep dive on the internet OUTSIDE of ESO forums or find a sweaty no-lifer that will explain what is really going on.

[Tattoo]

I know it's frustrating to play against experienced ToT players, but we all have to do that. Don't let it make you seethe though, it's a complex unforgiving game.
Each deck has it's own weakness/strength.
If you only have the starter decks that's ok, just learn to play them well.
Unfortunately, that means losing a lot to strange decks but that isn't a bad thing if you learned a lesson from it.
You will get new decks in time. That's part of the fun, i still have 3 to go.

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by bean:

NPCs are useless for learning advanced gameplay mechanics. Perhaps if you could forego a reward in order to pick which patrons the npc uses so that you can practice vs unfamiliar decks or try out combos then the npcs would have some tangible benefit, but you can't.

I agree. My point earlier was that the only point of NPC matches was to familiarize yourself with the cards. You can't really get into learning advanced gameplay mechanics until you've memorized a certain number of cards, so that was my point of suggesting NPC matches.

Originally posted by bean:

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

Some npcs still manage to win regardless of what stupidity they do.

you are not wrong about this and unfortunately it is not limited to npcs

I suggest forgetting about tribute unless you REALLY like the card game, if you are looking for the rewards and xp, stick to doing the npc dailies and then play a friend for the pvp daily and then go do something else. If you really really REALLY like the card game and want to play competitive / ranked then you should deep dive on the internet OUTSIDE of ESO forums or find a sweaty no-lifer that will explain what is really going on.

Also agree, and I would be happy to tutor any interested players as well. The game can be daunting when playing against other players, but it can also be a lot of fun.

[SirNikolai]

Originally posted by bean:

NPCs are useless for learning advanced gameplay mechanics. Perhaps if you could forego a reward in order to pick which patrons the npc uses so that you can practice vs unfamiliar decks or try out combos then the npcs would have some tangible benefit, but you can't.

The npcs are VERY easy to beat, they used to be even easier before the update to tribute (about a year ago) where they nerfed player matches and 'buffed' the npcs.

I posted a response on this thread last night but then deleted it because I really don't feel like dealing with highly motivated trolls and their incentivized harassment of players. Just look at the first page of the forums and you will see the same group harassing users until they can get a rise out of them or bait them into divulging information that the trolls can then report and get the person banned and the thread buried. Shameful behavior that is very off-putting and pushes new players away.

full disclosure, I am a no-life extra sweaty super high rank tribute player, if you REALLY want to get into tribute add me on steam and ill give you honest answers and if you are on the US server we can do a bit of a crash course in-game.

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

Some npcs still manage to win regardless of what stupidity they do.

you are not wrong about this and unfortunately it is not limited to npcs

I suggest forgetting about tribute unless you REALLY like the card game, if you are looking for the rewards and xp, stick to doing the npc dailies and then play a friend for the pvp daily and then go do something else. If you really really REALLY like the card game and want to play competitive / ranked then you should deep dive on the internet OUTSIDE of ESO forums or find a sweaty no-lifer that will explain what is really going on.

I'm an trophy hunter/achievement. From a console perspective I'm in a guild of tryhards tot players. top 10 in ranked. To each their own issues of not able to work or such no wonder these players are called no lifers.. but most work than come home ^ go hard salami on this tot game. Needles to say the tavern is luck based & your taking risks knowing full well which cards you are trying to get versus trying to prevent your opponent chances. As example: my first turn (Green Deck) we get 5 coin to start so picked up 4 (RED) knowing for well The (Green) 4 was on the floor as well, (Patron was turned in my favour as well) but also choose to replace 4 (Green) with (1) which turn into 10 card so very lucky! On my opponent turn he magically got 7 coin in his first hand? is that even possible and he instantly grab 6 (Green Card) than wreath of coin as always). I tried explaining to the guilds that tot for me is luck based & it hasn't improve the matches. Is it possible for players to cheat or was it just dumb luck?

[bean]

Originally posted by SirNikolai:

I'm an trophy hunter/achievement. From a console perspective I'm in a guild of tryhards tot players. top 10 in ranked. To each their own issues of not able to work or such no wonder these players are called no lifers.. but most work than come home ^ go hard salami on this tot game. Needles to say the tavern is luck based & your taking risks knowing full well which cards you are trying to get versus trying to prevent your opponent chances. As example: my first turn (Green Deck) we get 5 coin to start so picked up 4 (RED) knowing for well The (Green) 4 was on the floor as well, (Patron was turned in my favour as well) but also choose to replace 4 (Green) with (1) which turn into 10 card so very lucky! On my opponent turn he magically got 7 coin in his first hand? is that even possible and he instantly grab 6 (Green Card) than wreath of coin as always). I tried explaining to the guilds that tot for me is luck based & it hasn't improve the matches. Is it possible for players to cheat or was it just dumb luck?

remember there are three green decks so it is hard to tell which you are talking about

With the light green deck (patron that changes cards for 2 power) it would have to be a very lucky first turn... something like the table is showing two of the light green contract cards that cost 2 and combo into gold when three cards are played, if there are other patrons like gold or dark green it becomes even easier.

with the normal green deck (patron gives you 1 gold per turn for 2 power) it could be possible with other patrons(cards) in the game, but that is harder and more than likely it is because of another patron.

with the dark green (patron gives you a card for 3/2 power) it is super common because there are quite a few cards that can give your opponent gold in their first turn.

In any case, I don't know how you can buy the red 4 and tap a patron and have 1 gold to change the table in the first turn (1st player, 1st turn) so maybe i am just misunderstanding.

As far as top 10 guilds, whether the game is based on luck or something else, cheating, bots, exploits or anything like that... you need to go search outside of the ESO forums to get a real answer.... probably that same top 10 guild's discord channel :P