Transmute crystal system is insane

[Toothbrush]

People who are saying this is not bad are actively doing something that we should NOT have to do to obtain more crystals.


Let’s recap what’s going on here.


Let’s say I spent days. And I mean DAYS farming one dungeon. That’s just one dungeon people I could get my stickers all collected for waycrest sewers. That would bring my cost of creating an item down to 25 crystals PER ITEM.

First off. Ignoring how utterly INSANE that grind is. Even 25 is too much for ONE. ITEM. One item people !

One item that I’ve ALREADY EARNED as a drop. Here’s the key here that is driving me insane logically. Like. I’ve already spent the time to do the dungeon. I’ve ALREADY received the item.

Now if I don’t have the storage to hold it. You’re not going to charge me to grind even more to get it all over again.


Now let’s talk about how to obtain. The most common way is To do your daily.

Well guess what. That’s only 10 crystals !

10!!!!!!!!! What everyone is commonly doing is switching to another character and doing their dailies in multiple characters.

People. This is not an acceptable play style or grind. That’s literally insane.


I would have to do my daily. On 3 characters. Just to create ONE ITEM of 25 cost. And that’s AFTER I’ve literally spent my entire life in that dungeon for an entire weekend to get that cost down to 25.

This is a very important point everyone is ignoring. Getting that cost down to 25? Requires an unhealthy amount of dungeon grinding and that’s just for ONE. DUNGEON. Out of how many dungeons are in this game? Once you wrap your mind around it , it becomes insane.

This needs to be fixed.

[Mai Selph]

Originally posted by MisoForever:

Some of these players don’t get the concept of an mmo and grinding and how it’s supposed to be a slow burn to end game and not a mad dash.

Exactly this! Every MMO has some amount of randomness to it that has people take time to farm for the bestest item. In WoW it's the titanforged ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, in Destiny that's the random perks and stats. In ESO, we deal with traits, but we also have an anti-frustration feature in transmutation, which reduces the grind by allowing us to reclaim items with better traits if we already received them once AND know the trait.

[Sevati]

You lack patience and want instant gratification now and are not very good at multi-tasking.

MMO's and well, life, doesn't really suit you if that's your expectation on how things should work.

Its very trivial for a casual to get 10 to 50 a day on one toon only.

During certain events, like Jubiliee, I made a few thousand transmute crystals, just doing crafting dailies and daily random dungeons on a couple of toons.

Worst case scenario I make 50 a day just doing 5 random dungeons on 5 toons. That takes about 10 minutes per vet dungeon with a non crap and non new player groups.

About an hour of time invested a day. That's 1500 a month, or cap and a half if you are ESO+.

Reconstructing a full sticker book brings costs down to 25 per item, or 60 items a month of reconstructed gear for sets I don't have lying around.

My problem is having things to spend transmute crystals on. I just reconstruct or re-trait gear to a few things and back to original trait to burn them, or sometimes play around with other oddball but neat sets I don't have lying around. Otherwise my inventory gets clogged, since i have nothing to spend them on.

I would like other spend options, not an improved acquisition rate to accommodate those that don't understand the larger picture for established players who still enjoy the game.

[Soothing_De4tH1]

Really? thats interesting considering ZoS just handed out 16k endeavors, free month of eso plus and all these goodies that takes normal people that work for a living a year to grind. the hypocrisy is real. The games been out for 10 years now and it feels like a chore not a Video game. Log on for dailiy writs, daily dungeons, repeat. Have you noticed the Economy these days? or you living with your parents?

[bean]

Originally posted by Soothing_De4tH1:

Really? thats interesting considering ZoS just handed out 16k endeavors, free month of eso plus and all these goodies that takes normal people that work for a living a year to grind. the hypocrisy is real.

wasn't that just for the pts affected ppl?
I sure didn't get any of those things.
I don't know anyone who did.

[PCkukac]

Yes, it was for PTS thing. Free ESO+ just for those hwo had it.

[lumennsunblaze]

"Grinding" crystals beats grinding the same mobs for a specific item IN the correct trait any day of the week. Many things you're lucky to see once, much less in the desired trait.

[GBelmont]

Originally posted by MisoForever:

Just do rnd on all your toons it’s not that deep or hard throw a few pledges and battlegrounds in for good measure. It’s a game it’s meant to be played. It’s end game level gear you are working towards of course their not gonna hand it to you on a silver platter.

Indeed, and of course, those who cries about this, don't have at least 3 trifectas, no death speed run in moon hunter keep. Folks cries that this game is "easy", they don't do pledges and solo stuff. THey are nerfing too much, that sometimes solo content is not easy as it was, sadly (out of overland).

[Toothbrush]

Originally posted by Sevati:

You lack patience and want instant gratification now and are not very good at multi-tasking.

MMO's and well, life, doesn't really suit you if that's your expectation on how things should work.

Its very trivial for a casual to get 10 to 50 a day on one toon only.

During certain events, like Jubiliee, I made a few thousand transmute crystals, just doing crafting dailies and daily random dungeons on a couple of toons.

Worst case scenario I make 50 a day just doing 5 random dungeons on 5 toons. That takes about 10 minutes per vet dungeon with a non crap and non new player groups.

About an hour of time invested a day. That's 1500 a month, or cap and a half if you are ESO+.

Reconstructing a full sticker book brings costs down to 25 per item, or 60 items a month of reconstructed gear for sets I don't have lying around.

My problem is having things to spend transmute crystals on. I just reconstruct or re-trait gear to a few things and back to original trait to burn them, or sometimes play around with other oddball but neat sets I don't have lying around. Otherwise my inventory gets clogged, since i have nothing to spend them on.

I would like other spend options, not an improved acquisition rate to accommodate those that don't understand the larger picture for established players who still enjoy the game.

The GASLIGHTING IS REAL with this community, O M F G.

I literally say in my post I don't want things handed to me, Literally say it.

Yet you still get the same old REPEATED comments (because people can't actually think). it's the same REPEATED nonsense.

QQ, L2P, "stop asking for handouts" etc etc.

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by GBelmont:

Originally posted by MisoForever:

Just do rnd on all your toons it’s not that deep or hard throw a few pledges and battlegrounds in for good measure. It’s a game it’s meant to be played. It’s end game level gear you are working towards of course their not gonna hand it to you on a silver platter.

Indeed, and of course, those who cries about this, don't have at least 3 trifectas, no death speed run in moon hunter keep. Folks cries that this game is "easy", they don't do pledges and solo stuff. THey are nerfing too much, that sometimes solo content is not easy as it was, sadly (out of overland).

oh 100 % the trolls crying about "eZ oVeErLaNd" prob have not completed one trifecta or even one vet trial or vet maelstrom etc etc its alot of the younger gen z crowd who has the attention span of a mayfly and wants instant gratification.

[Poshewa]

Originally posted by Toothbrush:

Originally posted by Sevati:

You lack patience and want instant gratification now and are not very good at multi-tasking.

MMO's and well, life, doesn't really suit you if that's your expectation on how things should work.

Its very trivial for a casual to get 10 to 50 a day on one toon only.

During certain events, like Jubiliee, I made a few thousand transmute crystals, just doing crafting dailies and daily random dungeons on a couple of toons.

Worst case scenario I make 50 a day just doing 5 random dungeons on 5 toons. That takes about 10 minutes per vet dungeon with a non crap and non new player groups.

About an hour of time invested a day. That's 1500 a month, or cap and a half if you are ESO+.

Reconstructing a full sticker book brings costs down to 25 per item, or 60 items a month of reconstructed gear for sets I don't have lying around.

My problem is having things to spend transmute crystals on. I just reconstruct or re-trait gear to a few things and back to original trait to burn them, or sometimes play around with other oddball but neat sets I don't have lying around. Otherwise my inventory gets clogged, since i have nothing to spend them on.

I would like other spend options, not an improved acquisition rate to accommodate those that don't understand the larger picture for established players who still enjoy the game.

The GASLIGHTING IS REAL with this community, O M F G.

I literally say in my post I don't want things handed to me, Literally say it.

Yet you still get the same old REPEATED comments (because people can't actually think). it's the same REPEATED nonsense.

QQ, L2P, "stop asking for handouts" etc etc.

i'm gonna be really honest, it doesn't seem like MMO's are for you, they're meant to have grinds in them and the transmutation system makes ESO in particular less of a grind. this game use to not have a sticker book or the ability to reconstruct gear at all. so ZOS actually massively decreased the grind by ALOT. the game didn't even have transmutation crystals or the ability to change traits for 3 years. its really not a grind, just play the game and you'll eventually be drowning in them until you make a tank lol

if you really need a set fast after getting it sticker booked, just use the stuff you got dropped. perfect traits is really just min/max, you're only 200 hours in, its not important yet.

also you don't "literally" say it in your post btw.

[Sevati]

Originally posted by Toothbrush:

The GASLIGHTING IS REAL with this community, O M F G.

I do not think you understand what that means.

I offered a different perspective as a very established player who understands the benefit of multiple toons and how nearly all the systems in the game function and a method that is extremely efficient at farming them.

This really is not a very grindy MMO. Its the player them self who makes it such by how they choose to play the game. If you have fun, how you play does not matter.

If you want to be extremely efficient there are plenty of guides or people who can offer advice.

[Lowbei]

this is factually inaccurate and the misspelling of wayrest tells me all that i need to know.

the system is very good.

[Chronocide]

Originally posted by Toothbrush:

This is a very important point everyone is ignoring. Getting that cost down to 25? Requires an unhealthy amount of dungeon grinding and that’s just for ONE. DUNGEON. Out of how many dungeons are in this game? Once you wrap your mind around it , it becomes insane.

This needs to be fixed.

The monthly subscription model wasn't a hint that they think you'll be playing a lot?

So, in case it's unclear, this game is a huge waste of time. If you don't have time to do this game, it really isn't for you. This is a game for people with excess time.

And further this is a role playing game. A roleplaying game, or RPG, is a game where you don't start with every thing, and have to slowly build up your character, possibly never fully gaining every option in the game, since your character might never be fully complete.

Regarding your dungeon thing.

So to "unlock" items for transmutes means you already have the item. So if you just keep the item you were given, there's no need to ever transmute it.

[Toothbrush]

Originally posted by MisoForever:

Originally posted by GBelmont:

Indeed, and of course, those who cries about this, don't have at least 3 trifectas, no death speed run in moon hunter keep. Folks cries that this game is "easy", they don't do pledges and solo stuff. THey are nerfing too much, that sometimes solo content is not easy as it was, sadly (out of overland).

oh 100 % the trolls crying about "eZ oVeErLaNd" prob have not completed one trifecta or even one vet trial or vet maelstrom etc etc its alot of the younger gen z crowd who has the attention span of a mayfly and wants instant gratification.

Tell me you’re an elitist without telling me you’re an elitist.

[Toothbrush]

Originally posted by Chronocide:

Originally posted by Toothbrush:

This is a very important point everyone is ignoring. Getting that cost down to 25? Requires an unhealthy amount of dungeon grinding and that’s just for ONE. DUNGEON. Out of how many dungeons are in this game? Once you wrap your mind around it , it becomes insane.

This needs to be fixed.

The monthly subscription model wasn't a hint that they think you'll be playing a lot?

So, in case it's unclear, this game is a huge waste of time. If you don't have time to do this game, it really isn't for you. This is a game for people with excess time.

And further this is a role playing game. A roleplaying game, or RPG, is a game where you don't start with every thing, and have to slowly build up your character, possibly never fully gaining every option in the game, since your character might never be fully complete.

Regarding your dungeon thing.

So to "unlock" items for transmutes means you already have the item. So if you just keep the item you were given, there's no need to ever transmute it.

Except there’s a storage space issue and also the trait issue.

But don’t worry here’s where you’re going to tell me “oh you can just do this grind for more storage”. Right? Or just buy more from the store.