ESO in 2024: a dead game? Is it even possible to save it anymore?

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With all the last years low effort content (only Endless Archive was something semi-new, idea taken from another mmo) and the exodus away from the game by both the PVP communities oldschool players and Veteran Trial players, to a point where the ones left meme being the "Last Veteran Trial players", at least at the Trifecta level. The communities have become so small that it is sad when remembers the better times and years.

Is it possible to save ESO anymore? Do the Developers even listen the feedback? Do they even think and see the game as MMO game anymore, or more like just single player "Skyrim Lite"?

It feels they aim to just sell mounts and cosmetics and leveling stuff and Vampire Bites etc (that can get for free in game from other players, but not all new players know these kinds of things and gets milked) to grind money with minimal effort.

I know some have the good old sunk cost fallacy hitting, and feels needless anger rising, when has spent so much money to the game already, that feels the need to defend it in any case, or even attack personally anyone telling truths, even when the game is pretty much abusive to them also and do not respect their spent time and money. Anything you buy (sets, classes, skills in paid content, chapters) can be nerfed up and down from decent to useless every 3 months inverval so there never is a feeling of being respected or being able to relax and plan your goals, just so you buy the next thing that is buffed, on and on, meanwhile not having anything cool farmable even in the game like in other MMO games.

Imagine actually having most stuff in game as rewards and not in cash shop? Yes, that is how it is in most other MMO games. Can say that after played several other mmo games. ESO has been by far nothing but a Cash Shop front, game made to sell you Crowns so you buy cosmetics in a laggy, buggy game with bad performance. Would imagine with all that income they would have fixed at least Cyrodiil during all these years, but nope. They only want your money, not your loyalty as a player, they aim just to get new players that spend before they quit.

Do you feel there is anymore even a chance to turn the course of this game? Or will it just slowly fade away, with every chapter giving small nostalgia to the old ESO andies, but each time less and less, and faster and faster after update comes disappointment and player amounts drop back down and game feels lifeless and broken. Ravaged by greed and incompetence. When it could have been so much more, sad times.

Here is a good Youtube clip from a known ESO content creator Azura, explaining the greedy monetization model and backgrounds of the same points i am talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunPmoW0Yf0

Watch that video before going into some reactive emotional anger towards your fellow gamers. If the ESO's own old fans and players say the same things, you know it's an actual issue. But for sure some gonna again tell any negative feedback is just "trolling" and try to silence.

Good thing we are in Steam forums where can say opinions on important issues that are impacting gaming negatively. And this one is.

How do you feel about this issue personally?

My own solution was to Uninstall ESO and play other mmo games until they fix things, put way more rewards into the game instead of 90% into the cash shop, and actually start giving the game same kind of effort and passion that was still visible during Summerset Chapter times. We as players, as their important customers deserve better.

With love,

Lelu, content creator and gaming news enthusiast

[ItachiDeltaForce]

Originally posted by Sith Lord Seyz:

I actually like proved with data in your last "ESO dead" thread, that eso is in fact not dying.
now you post the same stuff again in a new thread for what?

I get that you don't like ESO anymore. The communities disbanded, that you played with in the past. The content, that gets released don't appeal to you.

But what on earth is the point of this post except farming visibility to get some steam awards? I mean you continued the last post for weeks/months even after the "ESO is dying" point was disproven.
It's obvious, that you don't want to return to ESO. Why even camp the steam forum with its like 10 users all day?

also it seems op doesn't even own the game..no mouse icon

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Originally posted by Sith Lord Seyz:

I actually like proved with data in your last "ESO dead" thread, that eso is in fact not dying.
now you post the same stuff again in a new thread for what?

I get that you don't like ESO anymore. The communities disbanded, that you played with in the past. The content, that gets released don't appeal to you.

But what on earth is the point of this post except farming visibility to get some steam awards? I mean you continued the last post for weeks/months even after the "ESO is dying" point was disproven.
It's obvious, that you don't want to return to ESO. Why even camp the steam forum with its like 10 users all day?

I like MMO topics and discussions, and have always lots of feedback and opinions to give. It being the whole point of Steam games discussions, you know? :)

Sometime some topics do intertwine or what is the english word for it, so might have some same themes, since same genre games, and same issues.. so of course there is some repetition every now and then. Same as ESO has in content. *shrug* It is very formulaic, as you know.

So of course naturally posts about it can feel too. Not like there is something "brand new" to talk about ESO when there literally is not much anything new to talk about ever. That is one part of the issue. And i am not only one saying that.

Are you saying i am not allowed to post here? Or am i just personally annoying to you and it's just personal bad chemistry?

Maybe we can just focus on talking about games. Feedback about them is Steam main point. You can safely ignore me and my posts if not like them. Good thing we live in a free forum, right? ^^

Hope you have a good day, you have been polite at least and not name calling like some. So i thank you for that. Wish you have a great starting week! (at least here in my timezone starting to be monday morning)

Edit: "Stop argumenting with feelings"? Why? I am not, but i do have feelings and gaming is about having feeling reactions, to find enjoyment (or not in case of some games and their current situations), i am not some "cold bosslady", but more like a sassy princess with emotional rollercoaster of a mind, so i HAVE feelings and play by them and make them known, so excuse me about that lol. :D

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by Roadie:

Isn't this just a rehash of the now-closed "ESO is dead even GW2 has better numbers" thread?

So too should this one be closed.

Yep it’s it’s eso is dead 2 electric boogaloo I hope the mods are swift and lock this ♥♥♥♥ show now

[Berserkr]

If I had $20 every time someone says an mmo is dead I wouldn't have to work anymore

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by Berserkr:

If I had $20 every time someone says an mmo is dead I wouldn't have to work anymore

That and this is ops second thread of the same topic the first closed for being a troll. They are just award farming at this point.

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Originally posted by MisoForever:

Originally posted by Roadie:

Isn't this just a rehash of the now-closed "ESO is dead even GW2 has better numbers" thread?

So too should this one be closed.

Yep it’s it’s eso is dead 2 electric boogaloo I hope the mods are swift and lock this ♥♥♥♥ show now

Did you watch the video in the link i posted? Content creator and comment section in the clip tells the truth, this is actual issue and many would like ZOS to improve their monetization and focus on actual content and it being rewarding and not just focus on Crown Store and putting all stuff there.

In other games you get cool stuff by playing the game, in ESO it's 95% in the cash store. It's actual issue and not fun. Or does someone see the game as some shopping cart game? True endgaming, swiping credit card for mounts. Meanwhile on FF14 you farm them in game from raids, dozens and dozens cool mounts from raids. In ESO there is few and every other mount, radiant apex mounts and all cool monster weapon packs etc are in the shop. #RewardingGameplayPOG/s

[MISO4EVER]

Originally posted by Lelu💜:

Originally posted by MisoForever:

Yep it’s it’s eso is dead 2 electric boogaloo I hope the mods are swift and lock this ♥♥♥♥ show now

Did you watch the video in the link i posted? Content creator and comment section in the clip tells the truth, this is actual issue and many would like ZOS to improve their monetization and focus on actual content and it being rewarding and not just focus on Crown Store and putting all stuff there.

In other games you get cool stuff by playing the game, in ESO it's 95% in the cash store. It's actual issue and not fun. Or does someone see the game as some shopping cart game? True endgaming, swiping credit card for mounts. Meanwhile on FF14 you farm them in game from raids, dozens and dozens cool mounts from raids. In ESO there is few and every other mount, radiant apex mounts and all cool monster weapon packs etc are in the shop. #RewardingGameplayPOG/s

Why are you doing this again? Your last thread was removed for being a troll. Why are you so obsessed with hating eso if you prefer your anime MMOs to play them and stop playing eso. Why waste your time and everyone else’s time whining about something you don’t even like. You are just here to farm
Jesters. Same with the “creator” she whines about zos a business not a charity trying to make money with a monetized video with like 20 Ads on it.

Practice what you preach. Go touch some grass my dude.

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Originally posted by MisoForever:

Originally posted by Lelu💜:

Did you watch the video in the link i posted? Content creator and comment section in the clip tells the truth, this is actual issue and many would like ZOS to improve their monetization and focus on actual content and it being rewarding and not just focus on Crown Store and putting all stuff there.

In other games you get cool stuff by playing the game, in ESO it's 95% in the cash store. It's actual issue and not fun. Or does someone see the game as some shopping cart game? True endgaming, swiping credit card for mounts. Meanwhile on FF14 you farm them in game from raids, dozens and dozens cool mounts from raids. In ESO there is few and every other mount, radiant apex mounts and all cool monster weapon packs etc are in the shop. #RewardingGameplayPOG/s

Why are you doing this again? Your last thread was removed for being a troll. Why are you so obsessed with hating eso if you prefer your anime MMOs to play them and stop playing eso. Why waste your time and everyone else’s time whining about something you don’t even like. You are just here to farm
Jesters. Same with the “creator” she whines about zos a business trying to make money with a monetized video with like 20
Ads on it. Practice what you preach.
Go touch some grass my dude.

Last topic was not removed for being "troll", it was removed by moderator for derailing into only argument, and i was happy already about the discussion running it's course. I mean it was over 40 pages. :) So it deserved a retirement. Because who would like to see 2 or more topics from me same time? One topic with your friend Lelu is enough for most. That is what my friends in Discord say also. But they love me anyways. ^^

But as said there, nothing prevents me from making a new one. And i did. And can do again. In 30 seconds. So there is no point attacking me personally again or having the same discussion every time about me, let's just stay in topic: games, and ESO in this case, thank you.

This is a new discussion, but since the game is the same, of course some issues will be same issues, those are part of the monetization.

Some people need to learn, that this forum is for everyone and they cannot control others opinions. :) Good thing we can freely give feedback here. And if someone will unjustly try something, i will take the matter into Valve, since i am not breaking any rules. And content creators and many players agree with me, that this is a big issue that hurts the whole game, by making it more about just Crown Store than actual game play being rewarding.

I am in good spirits, in good mood (even if ESO is not currently that great game for me, but i can still post about it as much as i want) and posting game review, and the game is clearly having an issue. So trying to silence me would be action that is against Steam guidelines. As is reporting someone just for disagreeing with them. I have not broken any rules. Thank you and have a nice day! :)

[Berserkr]

Having the same discussion?
You're the one creating another thread about the same topic lol

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not much original stuff in the world anymore, be it in music, tv, movies, forum posts..
everything is very low effort f tier try hard imitation lol

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Originally posted by Goon Kidd:

ngl eso is kind of meh & bland just another modern pointless soulless stat grinder trying to act as an mmo everything looks too plastic and fake & too pristine nobody groups up anymore, ya ik playing solo in an online multiplayer game is mind boggling to me..and there is so many other gripes i have with this game and modern mmos in general

You know what was kind of bad what comes to monetization? When they did put that one wraith polymorph into a package deal, so not even could get with Gems, but had to buy a big Crown Crate package so it came then as a "side bonus", even that was the thing people wanted, but they wanted to force people to buy gambling crates and there was NO way of buying it without. So predatory forced gambling and side product way of selling things.

ZOS should be ashamed about that. And even smaller things, but things that can set a bad future signs, selling mounts to someone only IF they have ESO+.. so who knows, those type of things can just increase. Soon more and more cross-package deals and gimmicks that forces to spend more and more. So greedy.

And some people defend it. Why? I'd get it if the game was perfect, but it's not, it has performance issues and combat team related issues, itemization issues, AND monetization greed issues. And yet, some act like everything is fine.

Is there truly even any fixing of the game? Since some here do not even want it fixed, but they want just apparently more crown crate stuff and no rewards into the actual game play? O_o

[Kissing Fish]

wow someone is big mad for not getting their spirit ghost horsey .jpg for free lol

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In other games you get rewards, cosmetics, mounts, cool random stuff by playing the game, not having the game be a shopping cart simulator.

I guess wanting an actually good game with actually good rewards for it and not just focus on cash shop is too weird concept for some.

People who do not even try to get improvements always gets the game they deserve in the end, it has been seen.

But, there are a lot of people who want change, since have seen other games do things in better ways, in several areas.

Nice to have a good conversation about mmo games with all my dear friends again. :)

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by Lelu💜:

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:

You've been on the GW2 forum, watching people make similar claims against that game. You can go to ANY MMO forum and find threads with people complaining about the weaker aspects of the game.

Yeah i have seen it all. In so many MMO forums i have played, also even in FF14 forums. It has it's own special cases, oh the archetypes you know for sure very well too, since seen you around also. ^^

I have seen things, things you would not believe. :P

It's the same in there too, in FF14 forums, with couple of the "one guy'd" types who all write same style enough to actually be like the same person from ALL of the said game forums, like someone who does it as their full time personal "content", if can say it that. It's low effort though without imagination, more like copy paste tier.. you know, like once you read one message, no need for more and no surprises incoming, and does not miss anything if puts in Block list, because knows there won't be any pearls in forms of posts incoming also in future.

Like when you realize that you can make better memes about their posts with more creativity than what they did with their originals. It's a priceless feeling. ^^

You are a smart person though based of your posts, mind of analytic thoughts. So you get my point and motives i believe. It is not "trolling" i can assure you about that.

I do admit i am passionate about mmo games, if i would not care, i would not give critical feedback, apathy is the sign of not caring. As i have said, one of the fun memories of mmo games were the times me and my bestie did grind her Empress title the 1st time, we were so tired but laughed in comms all the time, around the clock to silly things. So yes, there was a time i loved ESO. But i feel i am allowed to give negative feedback when it is earned. Some people just do not want to listen any negative feedback or they take it personally. When i only talk about the game, and improving the game and fixing issues would also help others, not just me.

I have full account, full of cool stuff, shinies, radiant apex mounts, fancy titles.. all of that, waiting for me to go back playing.. IF they actually fix their game and make it great again. But i fear they do not even care anymore. It's a sad feeling.

I don't consider it trolling. I was meaning aside from the trolls. Each MMO has parts that just aren't good and will never be good due to how the game is designed.

ESO never had good combat. ESO never had good group content. ESO never had good PvP. ESO is simply not going to focus on that stuff going forward. It's a waste of time and resources.

Nothing you have suggested is new. It's not that they are ignoring the community; it's that they are listening to them.

The interrupt-everything-to-block mechanic has a massive downside with the form of animation canceling which leads to weaving. They have tried multiple ways to get it to fit. It's just garbage no matter what they do.

This loose form of combat leaks into both PvP and Engame group content, since the combat is the core aspect of both of those systems. People do not like this. People who focus on PvP and Endgame group content have left the game.

There is no reason for ESO to focus on combat-focused systems because that's the weak part of ESO.

New classes/skill lines are the odd man out here, because while they do relate to combat, people enjoy them more for the class/player fantasy.

ESO is a casual MMO that caters to solo players. The best places to focus are world expansion and content for solo players to enjoy.

[Masuda]

Zenimax needs to just pull a FF14 and make it crossplay to boost the playerbase, zero reason to not have the PVE content crossplay, if you want the PVP sep whatever I don't care.
But there's more players on console because it's the only good mmo for instance, on xbox.
And I don't want to buy all of the DLC again to play it on PC, I don't want to have to start my 1000 champion point grind again, I don't want to start my: wait 30 days for insert trait here, non of that, too much of a grindfest to enjoy content I already had access to after years of progress.

Zenimax seems like a studio that's just as complacent as bethesda. I don't have ill will for the game of course I still suggest people to try out ESO but there's a lot of us that just don't have a reason to come back, to buy up all of these DLC's, start all over again just so the game can die when we finally reach where we used to be.

I might as well just go play ff14 that's always going to exist and is giving me 100% new content.