Fake roles are killing the fun of eso

[xfce1976]

How many times playing random dungeon u like to start soon your role but you cant start fast,so you get fake role and change your main role in another one not yours.
These players are killing the fun to play a random in group! STOP PLEASE,why YOU STOP the fun to play this game.If a dungeon in group can be fun,now you must to kick them or left group why these idiots dont understand.
And players that plays eso since years must to left group or stay until the end.

[blc]

I think the problem is the huge variety of difficulty in the dungeons in the random queue. The easiest vet dungeons can be soloed blind folded so you dont really need a tank or healer. Meanwhile the hardest one you need a decent group. I think many of the fake role players just gamble on getting an easy one.

If ZOS could just balance the dungeons or split them in separate queues this problem will probably go away because you dont see this in other games where dungeons have the same difficulty.

[PandaSav]

Thats why you have Group finder, XDDD. All mmos rely on party finder for Difficult stuff

[nonameyet]

No one should ever queue as Tank without a Taunt, no one should ever queue as Healer without Vigor and backbar Resto with Regeneration. You can even fit these onto a DPS setup. If you queue as a Tank and can't live through boss's attacks you are just setting yourself up to fail, it's not speeding up anything.

[PandaSav]

Originally posted by nonameyet:

No one should ever queue as Tank without a Taunt, no one should ever queue as Healer without Vigor and backbar Resto with Regeneration. You can even fit these onto a DPS setup. If you queue as a Tank and can't live through boss's attacks you are just setting yourself up to fail, it's not speeding up anything.

I see plenty of dps with taunts xDDD, Its hilarious!!!

[Elendir Blue]

Originally posted by nonameyet:

No one should ever queue as Tank without a Taunt, no one should ever queue as Healer without Vigor and backbar Resto with Regeneration. You can even fit these onto a DPS setup. If you queue as a Tank and can't live through boss's attacks you are just setting yourself up to fail, it's not speeding up anything.

Agree with taunt as tank.

Disagree with what you wrote about healer. Healer should slot area healing of their class and Energy Orb. Overflowing Altar for harder content.

Spammable healing in dungeons are needet only if mommy need to carry her children through it.

EDIT: I forgot combat prayer, it is spammable heal but it is used for its buff.

[Who am I ?]

Think it like this :

While you can finish a dungeon in 5 minutes instead of 15 or 20, why you wanna suffer ?
Yes,i get it all newbies want to check every corner in dungeons but you can do it as solo. About saying " don't fake role if you are not tank or healer ". I saw lots of people choosing DD even without dealing 5k dps xd . People think they are DD cause they are holding desto staff/bow/dual wield etc.

So it comes to the same outcome. Why you guys are fa king as DD ? Equiping weapons which has weapon damage on it doesn't make you DD. I can literally outparse %99 of the players in ESO with my tank while tanking with buff items.

And also you can't ask extra 15 minutes from other party members to suffer with you cause you can't deal dps.

If someone role trolling, let him carry the run because he has to, if he cannot carry and also goes for a fake role then yeah you are right.

If you wanna chill in a dungeon just go solo. There are lots of builds that can do solo every content in ESO ( dungeon wise ).


These are only for random normal dungeon. I'm also against fake role in Vet dungeons. But for normals ? come on bro its easy.

[Halcyform]

If you are serious about doing harder content, you don't PUG for it unless you have no other choice.

When you do randoms, especially at higher levels, you should expect the following: people who have been playing the game awhile and don't want to waste time. It's often preferred to simply do runs with a group full of dps to finish them as quickly as possible. In many cases, not only do you not need a tank, but you can also do without a healer.

Supposedly an LFG tool was added that was supposed to address people's concerns and you can now look for people who have similar interests. Use that. I haven't checked it out yet because I typically avoid the group finder altogether and form my own groups. Don't need a tool to do that.

[TheS1X]

there is no role needed for dungeons, game is too easy to actually need a tank or healer.

[unrequited]

Pug's are almost always a crab shoot. if you really want to do the dungeon as intended then youll need to form a party with like minded players. dont be scared to ask in zone chat to FaP {form a party} (lol)
IMO a few vet dungeons and trials do require a tank and healer that at least know what they are doing.
I also feel that fake roles have ruin and will continue to ruin the game play experience for some players.
bottom line is that they will always be there, there is really no way to fix it, and only you can prevent yourself from having fun while playing. my 2 cents so take it as you will.

[Свети Отац Сава]

Originally posted by xfce1976:

How many times playing random dungeon u like to start soon your role but you cant start fast,so you get fake role and change your main role in another one not yours.
These players are killing the fun to play a random in group! STOP PLEASE,why YOU STOP the fun to play this game.If a dungeon in group can be fun,now you must to kick them or left group why these idiots dont understand.
And players that plays eso since years must to left group or stay until the end.

No no 10 minute queues for people that those dps role are killing the game mby if it was faster we wouldn't pick up fake roles :)

[Who am I ?]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Originally posted by nonameyet:

No one should ever queue as Tank without a Taunt, no one should ever queue as Healer without Vigor and backbar Resto with Regeneration. You can even fit these onto a DPS setup. If you queue as a Tank and can't live through boss's attacks you are just setting yourself up to fail, it's not speeding up anything.

Why would I use Vigor as a magic Templar?

Originally posted by Elendir Blue:

Agree with taunt as tank.

Disagree with what you wrote about healer. Healer should slot area healing of their class and Energy Orb. Overflowing Altar for harder content.

Spammable healing in dungeons are needet only if mommy need to carry her children through it.

EDIT: I forgot combat prayer, it is spammable heal but it is used for its buff.

I like redistribution on a templar jabs build with literally any HoT. The two together can heal through pretty much any dungeon with only a couple exceptions and it leaves you space to put an extra set/monster set of your choice. You are a healer disguised as a DPS.

The """meta""" is never required in ESO and the game is so much more fun when you go off menu with your builds.

Originally posted by Who am I ?:

Think it like this :

While you can finish a dungeon in 5 minutes instead of 15 or 20, why you wanna suffer ?
Yes,i get it all newbies want to check every fkng corner in dungeons but you can do it as solo. About saying " don't fake role if you are not tank or healer ". I saw lots of people choosing DD even without dealing 5k dps xd . People think they are DD cause they are holding desto staff/bow/dual wield etc.

So it comes to the same outcome. Why you guys are fa king as DD ? Equiping weapons which has weapon damage on it doesn't make you DD. I can literally outparse %99 of the players in ESO with my tank while tanking with buff items.

And also you can't ask extra 15 minutes from other party members to suffer with you cause you can't deal dps.

If someone role trolling, let him carry the run because he has to, if he cannot carry and also goes for a fake role then yeah you are right.

If you wanna chill in a dungeon just go solo. There are lots of builds that can do solo every content in ESO ( dungeon wise ).


These are only for random normal dungeon. I'm also against fake role in Vet dungeons. But for normals ? come on bro its easy as fck.

The problem is actually assuming you're "owed" a 5 minutes dungeon run.

Originally posted by TheS1X:

there is no role needed for dungeons, game is too easy to actually need a tank or healer.

4 dps can do all the base game dungeons for sure if they have any healing at all.

Sorry but I'm not gonna waste more than 5 minutes to finish a Normal dungeon for 10 transmutes. Cause even it hits to DLC its still not more than 8min with a proper dd dealing good damage. Also it literally take ages to find RND cause there is not enough healer/tank for dungeons. Queing for 45 min to get 10 transmute ? No ty

I'm playing since 2017 (I did 3 years of raid leading even title trifecta group) and with current meta even with 2 buttons you can deal high damage with some classes. Game always trying to get easy as possible for newbies. Back then we didn't have sticker book or transmute station etc. But still newbies are crying about something so i dont care about them anymore. As I said before RND is used for fast 10 transmutes so you dont need a tank or healer for those even for vet dungeons. You can check youtube.

Those cry babies are even blaming tanks for some mechanics which tank can't do anything about. Like people stepping inside red aoes or not dodging cleave attacks etc. So its a L2P issue.

[Meowella]

There's nothing new in this thread that didn't exist 20-25 years ago.

Being considerate of others in a group setting should always be at the forethought of people's minds.

My numbers are a year out (I came back today for a bit) but hybrid tank/healer roles can successfully do their job and still bring 20-30k dps for the bosses.
What I tend to see is if there's noone doing the job of the tank 'keeping the boss still, sundering them' then your dps will drop from 60k to about 40k (as the boss moves, they have to heal themselves out of panic etc).
This means 3 dps are 120k, but 2 dps and a hybrid tank are 150k - aka MORE damage.

I appreciate some 60k dps will counter this with 'but the other dps are doing 10k not 60k' but then you're the one choosing to queue as a tank when hybrid is so easy to kill things and fill the role correctly.

The key is never sacrifice someone being a tank - you can sacrifice the healer (I generally run my healers as hybrid in dungeons, only on some vet dlc would they focus on being full healers to provide synergy and resource regen) and be absolutely fine, but your dps will always dip if you dont have a tank providing the buffs and holding the boss still.

[Who am I ?]

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Originally posted by Who am I ?:

Sorry but I'm not gonna waste more than 5 minutes to finish a Normal dungeon for 10 transmutes. Cause even it hits to DLC its still not more than 8min with a proper dd dealing good damage. Also it literally take ages to find RND cause there is not enough healer/tank for dungeons. Queing for 45 min to get 10 transmute ? No ty

I'm playing since 2017 (I did 3 years of raid leading even title trifecta group) and with current meta even with 2 buttons you can deal high damage with some classes. Game always trying to get easy as possible for newbies. Back then we didn't have sticker book or transmute station etc. But still newbies are crying about something so i dont care about them anymore. As I said before RND is used for fast 10 transmutes so you dont need a tank or healer for those even for vet dungeons. You can check youtube.

Those cry babies are even blaming tanks for some mechanics which tank can't do anything about. Like people stepping inside red aoes or not dodging cleave attacks etc. So its a L2P issue.

You're the problem. It's a game. Nobody owes you anything.

you just said " vigor on mag templar ? " and said you are using redist on dungeons. Clearly you are a pepega player.

Let me teach you the current meta -> Stam DD's also have mag skills and Mag DD's also have stam skills. And no one is using redist to heal as fake healer in dungeons. Literally as someone said 1 echo vigor or heal orb is enough to hold everyone. So stop commenting to other comments without knowledge.

Yeah its a game no one owes me anything but im also not forced to carry 50-100 cp "DD" peeps in DLC vet dungeons or etc. It's same for rnds everytime when i go with my tank or my healer i suffer in even fungal 1 cause a random dudes wants to go as DD with his side 30 lvl "DD" xD.

You still dont understand the dilema here. I'm saying im outparsing them with my tank. So that shows they are not DD. So they should not choose DD.

People going 3dd 1 tank on DLC dungeon trifectas. So arguement you are providing is bullsht. If people can do something, that shows it is possible. I don't say everyone has to do that but neither you cannot blame others for that cause you suck at game.

WTS Dps+Dodge+Block ( Basicly How to play ESO ) lessons for free.

[Luckylancer]

Originally posted by Who am I ?:

Originally posted by SunfireKnight86:

Why would I use Vigor as a magic Templar?


I like redistribution on a templar jabs build with literally any HoT. The two together can heal through pretty much any dungeon with only a couple exceptions and it leaves you space to put an extra set/monster set of your choice. You are a healer disguised as a DPS.

The """meta""" is never required in ESO and the game is so much more fun when you go off menu with your builds.


The problem is actually assuming you're "owed" a 5 minutes dungeon run.


4 dps can do all the base game dungeons for sure if they have any healing at all.

Sorry but I'm not gonna waste more than 5 minutes to finish a Normal dungeon for 10 transmutes. Cause even it hits to DLC its still not more than 8min with a proper dd dealing good damage. Also it literally take ages to find RND cause there is not enough healer/tank for dungeons. Queing for 45 min to get 10 transmute ? No ty

I'm playing since 2017 (I did 3 years of raid leading even title trifecta group) and with current meta even with 2 buttons you can deal high damage with some classes. Game always trying to get easy as possible for newbies. Back then we didn't have sticker book or transmute station etc. But still newbies are crying about something so i dont care about them anymore. As I said before RND is used for fast 10 transmutes so you dont need a tank or healer for those even for vet dungeons. You can check youtube.

Those cry babies are even blaming tanks for some mechanics which tank can't do anything about. Like people stepping inside red aoes or not dodging cleave attacks etc. So its a L2P issue.

I can put my sign under this. I say I CC the monters to my team because when I que as tank to normal dungeon, I kill monsters. Death is the best CC in the game.

You dont need to respond to a guy that thinks vigor is useless on magicka templar. He needs to learn about hybridisation before giving his opinion in these topics.

[ah_puch]

Fake roles are killing the fun indeed. Especially dps roles who cannot do any damage. Those are the kind of players who came straight from Guild Wars 2 with "open world" auto attack spam game style.