Why is ESO DEAD? Is it the bugs?!

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

I stopped playing ESO year ago, mainly due to really bad performance, endless bugs and abysmal "balance updates" (literally worst balance team in any modern mmo game tbh). Still, at that time it did still have a few endgame groups (playing even in the horrible lag), but now.. when went to check the game out, there is like 3 people in big cities and zone maps are empty, can literally hear the crickets.

So, did everyone leave during the Light Attack change update last summer? Did people finally have enough? Even pvp seems to be more dead than ever? Apparently some poorly designed new class is not even enough to bring any positive hype?

What do you think? What is the problem that is killing ESO for you?

IMHO they should have fixed pvp fast and given new pvp battleground maps and modes and modify Cyrodiil map. Like make updated version of the map and so on. But they been just lazy when some of the last few players accept crown crates seasons as actual "content" meanwhile content is like written by 6yr old. *shrug* Only housing andies who like paying 100eur on some laggy & bugged (cannot even fill houses because console memory limitations KEKW) houses seem to like the game?

Game had potential still during Summerset DLC (remember when game was still more fun?), too bad incompetent and greedy devs took the lazy route with minimum effort.

And yes, their "nerfs and buffs" cycle is just to create illusion that you have "content" to do, because you need to grind new meta set/class/weapons instead of the nerfed ones. Every intelligent player saw that for years. Because those balance decisions made no sense, unless just wanted to shuffle the meta every 3-4 months. It's not even fun for anyone. Unless wanna keep people in threadmill with minimal effort put it by devs.

So.. to other ex-ESO players, what made you leave? What was your last draw?

PS. ALSO block bug for how long KEKW?

IF only ESO had professional and good developers like in FF14 and WoW (i don't play WoW, but at least their game mostly WORKS and is not always a bug ridden mess needing emergency maintenances few times a week lmao). In FF14 you get updates that are quality and not only "We apologize for the inconvenience..." when game is always full bugs that make it first and second month of new patch cycle fully broken like on ESO , often both on pvp and pve. X)

[Zayrownd]

Are you talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?
What light atack change? the one who the devs didn't launch?
in wich cities are you? many of my guilds are still alive, if you don't like the game, move on, every day i see people asking for group and many more in crag, the rift, main cities of each aliance, and the zones infested with rp, (don't go to Daggerfall)

If you can't adapt to changes, then the game isn't for you (even life itself)

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Are you talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?

You think there are many games called ESO that are known to be bug ridden mess that are mostly meme tier laughed by their pvp performance? Like where it is actual slide show and characters also crawl in "mud" and/or start rubber banding like in some old games? :D

Of course the last few people who still play are watching their precious game through rose tinted glasses, trust me - even i did for years. But oh.. i can tell you after played year for games that ACTUALLY work, it's like night and day.

ESO works SO badly that it's not even funny. Even i had sort of "normalized" the lag when was still playing, that started to keep it as normal, but now after played other games and went back in, the whole game feels heavy and there are those lag spikes even on empty cities, like sort of server "ticks" like it's too heavy to load itself.

Just poor optimization. And too much code fixed by duct tape and bubble gum on top of other spaghetti code.

It's hard to admit for players, i know.

But once you play other games. It's suddenly so apparent and easy to see.

I played ESO over 5 years. So i know the game well enough. And the need to "defend" it. Since it was my daily routine game. But oh maaan how perspective can change after you play for a while games that actually work as promised and sold. And the games are actually made for the players and have positive hype. Not to be playgrounds for childish devs who have some god complex where they slander their own pvp players and so on. But yes, do go on and defend them. They laugh while taking your money and you get mininum effort back in, as always.

[marstinson]

Not sure where your toon(s) are hanging out or at what time, but mine are in Elsweyr (pretty busy), Glenumbra (pretty busy), Stormhaven (ultra busy), Rivenspire (pretty busy), Stonefalls (pretty busy), and Craglorn (very busy). This afternoon I did some crafting and scrying runs, so one was in southern Bankorai (busy), western Wrothgar (busy), The Deadlands (mostly crickets), High Isle (busy), Malabal Tor (meh), and Galen (meh). Yesterday evening I had another doing mats surveys in Auridon (busy), southern Bankorai (busy), The Rift (meh), Shadowfen (meh), Deshaaan (very busy), and High Isle (very busy). Active Player is reporting about 35K ESO players online in the past hour and that pretty much comports with what I've seen over the past few days.

[Zayrownd]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Are you talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?

You think there are many games called ESO that are known to be bug ridden mess that are mostly meme tier laughed by their pvp performance? Like where it is actual slide show and characters also crawl in "mud" and/or start rubber banding like in some old games? :D

Of course the last few people who still play are watching their precious game through rose tinted glasses, trust me - even i did for years. But oh.. i can tell you after played year for games that ACTUALLY work, it's like night and day.

ESO works SO badly that it's not even funny. Even i had sort of "normalized" the lag when was still playing, that started to keep it as normal, but now after played other games and went back in, the whole game feels heavy and there are those lag spikes even on empty cities, like sort of server "ticks" like it's too heavy to load itself.

Just poor optimization. And too much code fixed by duct tape and bubble gum on top of other spaghetti code.

It's hard to admit for players, i know.

But once you play other games. It's suddenly so apparent and easy to see.

I played ESO over 5 years. So i know the game well enough. And the need to "defend" it. Since it was my daily routine game. But oh maaan how perspective can change after you play for a while games that actually work as promised and sold. And the games are actually made for the players and have positive hype. Not to be playgrounds for childish devs who have some god complex where they slander their own pvp players and so on. But yes, do go on and defend them. They laugh while taking your money and you get mininum effort back in, as always.

So you are one of those "pvp dudes" that explains everything, please, if you don't like the game anymore, stop playing it. Btw, you don't even have the game on steam, can you move to the zos forums? there's nothing we can do to "help you"

[Arock]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Are you talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?

You think there are many games called ESO that are known to be bug ridden mess that are mo lah blah blah

No one cares. If you don't like a game then just don't play it. Don't whine about not liking it.

[Berserkr]

Troll thread all the way
All I hear is SWTOR is dead yet they just upgraded to 64 bit client, LOTRO is dead yet they just put out a roadmap for the next year with new level cap increase and whole expansion coming in the fall, and I'll guarantee you ESO has way way more players than both of those games

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

You think there are many games called ESO that are known to be bug ridden mess that are mostly meme tier laughed by their pvp performance? Like where it is actual slide show and characters also crawl in "mud" and/or start rubber banding like in some old games? :D

Of course the last few people who still play are watching their precious game through rose tinted glasses, trust me - even i did for years. But oh.. i can tell you after played year for games that ACTUALLY work, it's like night and day.

ESO works SO badly that it's not even funny. Even i had sort of "normalized" the lag when was still playing, that started to keep it as normal, but now after played other games and went back in, the whole game feels heavy and there are those lag spikes even on empty cities, like sort of server "ticks" like it's too heavy to load itself.

Just poor optimization. And too much code fixed by duct tape and bubble gum on top of other spaghetti code.

It's hard to admit for players, i know.

But once you play other games. It's suddenly so apparent and easy to see.

I played ESO over 5 years. So i know the game well enough. And the need to "defend" it. Since it was my daily routine game. But oh maaan how perspective can change after you play for a while games that actually work as promised and sold. And the games are actually made for the players and have positive hype. Not to be playgrounds for childish devs who have some god complex where they slander their own pvp players and so on. But yes, do go on and defend them. They laugh while taking your money and you get mininum effort back in, as always.

So you are one of those "pvp dudes" that explains everything, please, if you don't like the game anymore, stop playing it. Btw, you don't even have the game on steam, can you move to the zos forums? there's nothing we can do to "help you"

i already DID stop playing it. I just said i went to check back if any progress happened in a year. But nope. More dead even than year ago lmao.

And nope, i played ESO via it's own launcher.

I was not seeking any "help", just came to said my opinion on what maybe went wrong. I mean, game HAD potential, i give it that, would not had played over 5 years. But it also has poor dev team who handles it like they were a team of kids with grudge against their own player base.

And if you think "pvp dudes" are the problem.. then you should know, ESO was originally marketed for us as a PVP GAME with pvp at it's endgame. It did not even have much pve endgame.

At some point they just realized, that the pve andies will keep buying all the mounts and houses even if the game works poorly. Lagging and bugs, like some 5 person indie company, always takes ages to fix even critical errors. Breaking new things each update that cannot even think how is possible to break those?

Like at any normal company people would have gotten fired already for being that incompetent. In ESO they must be someone relative who protects their poor job quality. Like every work place has that one "special cousin" of the big boss who is bad at everything but cannot just get rid of them because protected by the boss.

That tier of competence is what ESO has.

"Funny" thing more about ESO is, that in all other games usually when big update is about to hit, people are excited about all the new things and hype stuff. In ESO? Everyone are just horrified what they will nerf/break this time and how game is again LESS fun for the next half a year to a year until they start correcting their own mistakes a bit after uproar. When usually no one liked the patch notes. I mean how bad can devs be when usually NO ONE likes their patch notes? When most of them are like darts boards decision based on rng and not made with reason? :D

Answer me that and compare ESO to any other game with professional developers who know what they are doing? And i shall gladly disappear if you give me a good reasoning for it. :)

[Scrollsy]

How is it dead? Do you even know what that term means? Still one of the MMOs that have a good population to it. If you posted this on SWTOR or Neverwinter, then I'd understand but ESO?

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Brash:

How is it dead? Do you even know what that term means? Still one of the MMOs that have a good population to it. If you posted this on SWTOR or Neverwinter, then I'd understand but ESO?

Idk, with the same definition as some of the guys of this ESO discussion goes to other MMO discussions telling every other mmo is "dead"? *shrug*

I guess they feel their game is dying so badly, that they feel the need to go tell on every other games players that it is in fact -their- game that is dying and not ESO. Then they login to their favorite game to buy some Crown Crates from Pacrooti, check their empty friend list, check empty guilds and empty raid groups. Miss that one good friend who has not logged in 2,5 years, miss that hot egirl who used to gank them at pvp and they secretly enjoyed when she did sit on their face after kill. Little things like that. Gone are the good days.

And well, as ESO has "lasted" until now, it can live with like 30kish active players, since ESO has some spenders who buy all crown crate seasons always.

How about that crown crate forced package to get that shade polymorph btw KEKW? ESO has people who buy all such deals, so yeah it "survives" with the little player base it has.

BUT, it would have had potential for so much more. Even be a legit top3 MMO, if only the devs were actual professionals and not acting like little children who seem to hate their own player base. It's like they are making the game for themselves or like one kid of some developer and that kid decides class balance also out of whim and temper tantrums. Game does not feel like meant for players. You know what i mean? Most my friends felt the same. Like almost being hated as customers. They always say the "Play how you want." But in reality everytime people come up with any fun playstyles or if there was a decent update for pvp balance, ZOS was always ready to break it fast. No fun allowed. And classes had to be destroyed until everything feels the same to play with only different color animations.

That is what i mean. Making everything HYBRID was also a bad move, essentially stripped away half of classes specs to play and now everything is even more the same. Game COULD have been good and more, but bad devs ruined their own product with poor vision.

Tell me i'm wrong?

[Zayrownd]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

So you are one of those "pvp dudes" that explains everything, please, if you don't like the game anymore, stop playing it. Btw, you don't even have the game on steam, can you move to the zos forums? there's nothing we can do to "help you"

i already DID stop playing it. I just said i went to check back if any progress happened in a year. But nope. More dead even than year ago lmao.

And nope, i played ESO via it's own launcher.

I was not seeking any "help", just came to said my opinion on what maybe went wrong. I mean, game HAD potential, i give it that, would not had played over 5 years. But it also has poor dev team who handles it like they were a team of kids with grudge against their own player base.

And if you think "pvp dudes" are the problem.. then you should know, ESO was originally marketed for us as a PVP GAME with pvp at it's endgame. It did not even have much pve endgame.

At some point they just realized, that the pve andies will keep buying all the mounts and houses even if the game works poorly. Lagging and bugs, like some 5 person indie company, always takes ages to fix even critical errors. Breaking new things each update that cannot even think how is possible to break those?

Like at any normal company people would have gotten fired already for being that incompetent. In ESO they must be someone relative who protects their poor job quality. Like every work place has that one "special cousin" of the big boss who is bad at everything but cannot just get rid of them because protected by the boss.

That tier of competence is what ESO has.

"Funny" thing more about ESO is, that in all other games usually when big update is about to hit, people are excited about all the new things and hype stuff. In ESO? Everyone are just horrified what they will nerf/break this time and how game is again LESS fun for the next half a year to a year until they start correcting their own mistakes a bit after uproar. When usually no one liked the patch notes. I mean how bad can devs be when usually NO ONE likes their patch notes? When most of them are like darts boards decision based on rng and not made with reason? :D

Answer me that and compare ESO to any other game with professional developers who know what they are doing? And i shall gladly disappear if you give me a good reasoning for it. :)

So, you admit that you only want pvp. This game has an aproximate of 20-25 zones of pve, and only 2 zones of pvp (and its just a plain area with lot of rocks and trees)
What's profitable for the game? improve a zone with no lore? or add more stories with each chapter? also making new content for all users (mounts, pets, costumes, hairs, etc)

If you find a way to make money, keep doing it. Pvp dudes don't give zos the money they want, and if they focus on pvp, the game will be dead asap. BC pvp it's just, go kill these dudes for no reason, and come back to get ugly loot. PVE introduces more lore with each chapter

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

i already DID stop playing it. I just said i went to check back if any progress happened in a year. But nope. More dead even than year ago lmao.

And nope, i played ESO via it's own launcher.

I was not seeking any "help", just came to said my opinion on what maybe went wrong. I mean, game HAD potential, i give it that, would not had played over 5 years. But it also has poor dev team who handles it like they were a team of kids with grudge against their own player base.

And if you think "pvp dudes" are the problem.. then you should know, ESO was originally marketed for us as a PVP GAME with pvp at it's endgame. It did not even have much pve endgame.

At some point they just realized, that the pve andies will keep buying all the mounts and houses even if the game works poorly. Lagging and bugs, like some 5 person indie company, always takes ages to fix even critical errors. Breaking new things each update that cannot even think how is possible to break those?

Like at any normal company people would have gotten fired already for being that incompetent. In ESO they must be someone relative who protects their poor job quality. Like every work place has that one "special cousin" of the big boss who is bad at everything but cannot just get rid of them because protected by the boss.

That tier of competence is what ESO has.

"Funny" thing more about ESO is, that in all other games usually when big update is about to hit, people are excited about all the new things and hype stuff. In ESO? Everyone are just horrified what they will nerf/break this time and how game is again LESS fun for the next half a year to a year until they start correcting their own mistakes a bit after uproar. When usually no one liked the patch notes. I mean how bad can devs be when usually NO ONE likes their patch notes? When most of them are like darts boards decision based on rng and not made with reason? :D

Answer me that and compare ESO to any other game with professional developers who know what they are doing? And i shall gladly disappear if you give me a good reasoning for it. :)

So, you admit that you only want pvp. This game has an aproximate of 20-25 zones of pve, and only 2 zones of pvp (and its just a plain area with lot of rocks and trees)
What's profitable for the game? improve a zone with no lore? or add more stories with each chapter? also making new content for all users (mounts, pets, costumes, hairs, etc)

If you find a way to make money, keep doing it. Pvp dudes don't give zos the money they want, and if they focus on pvp, the game will be dead asap. BC pvp it's just, go kill these dudes for no reason, and come back to get ugly loot. PVE introduces more lore with each chapter

Why do people so often think that if someone is "mainly pvp player" they do then ZERO pve? In most games have to level/farm gear on pve also for pvp. Most do both anyways. Like dungeons have plenty of sets that have been really good for PVP.

There should not be pvp vs pve camps, but a lot of "i only pve" andies cannot understand how much needed also the pvp is for the eco system and health of the games. If it originally was kind of big part of the game.

PVP gives endless replayability, if every now and then the devs actually share some love for that side, like new maps/modes/good rewards.

Only really selfish people act like some pvp content would be away from pve content. PVE content is like beating a brainless pinata, enemy that does not have brain to fight back. Some pve players cannot handle it when another player (with brains) wins them so they only play against brainless bots (pve).

Tell me i'm wrong? :)

Yes, i did pvp 90% of the time, on Cyrodiil and IC. But, i BOUGHT every Expansion, Dungeon DLC and also had ESO+ for FIVE years. So i did spend money as much as any pve player. Well not every pointless crown crate since those have mostly poop in them.

[SHAMAN]

400 [people on eso online the others are smart ai bot dont spend a buuck here on this toxic ♥♥♥♥ platform

[SHAMAN]

full of cheats thats why an the refining system are destroyed

[Katzh]

game is old and feels outdated.
many issue that never been adressed.
same content every years, devs need to bring something new, instead we get less each year.

[Entity]

Originally posted by Sofia♡:

Originally posted by Zayrownd:

Are you talking about The Elder Scrolls Online?

You think there are many games called ESO that are known to be bug ridden mess that are mostly meme tier laughed by their pvp performance? Like where it is actual slide show and characters also crawl in "mud" and/or start rubber banding like in some old games? :D

Of course the last few people who still play are watching their precious game through rose tinted glasses, trust me - even i did for years. But oh.. i can tell you after played year for games that ACTUALLY work, it's like night and day.

Currently at 14:20pm UK time there are 20k accounts playing on Steam alone. Many more don’t even go through Steam to play. Every time I run around I see loads of players, though I never PvP. It seems you wish it to be true due to your [correct] annoyance at how they have not fixed PvP. That doesn’t mean it’s dead.