ESO has only 13k current players after major expansion.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Today's Steam charts show ESO has only 13k current players. And that after a major expansion Necrom. Yikes.

Even Albion Online has 15k right now.

No wonder hard to get groups, and cities feel empty. And the few people only make writs and then logout. I guess many did not buy new expansion and are rather playing Diablo 4 or something?

I saw some streamer try out Arcanist class, the new thing of Necrom, they switched back to old class after 2 hours, since it was so bland to play apparently. Then went to play another game. *shrugs*

"It's gonna be ballin'" <-- that was said by ESO's Creative Director Rich Lambert.

Does not really look like that, after a major expansion? Big oops. Maybe Necrom was not well received?

I remember Summerset and Elsweyr were still fun, i guess they work most of the team on some other project (rumors about another new MMO) and ESO gets only minor attention, recycled ideas and assets and crown store milking, like the Shade polymorph deal was with big crate package, and was not purchasable with Gems or Seals. Such shady selling tactics.

Sad times.

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MugHug lähetti viestin:

Sofia♡ lähetti viestin:

Did you read what i wrote? I specifically said that in ESO it is (was for me, and for my friends also, i did quit the game) hard to get groups for veteran stuff, both dungeons and raids. And there only comes like 1 raid per year, so would think enough people to do them since not that much choice, unless wanna repeat same old Craglorn trials forever.

ESO feels to me, and for many others also, more like a single player game, many players there just "solo and chill in Skyrim Lite". And it's not wrong to do so, i'm not saying that. But what it means, is that it escalates always eventually to really small endgame population that wants to do the actual content just for the fun of it. And that population has got small, same as pvp population in ESO, since devs have for years had it in abandoned without anything new, except promises of no lag, promises that were never kept.

I like doing stuff with other people, so enjoy mmo's where got people with similar mindset. :) As said, i feel ESO has active players enough to be around for years. But most like to do solo things, rp, housing, collect fashion stuff and buy stuff from crown store, some people there said it was "content" when new crown store season came. In other games actual content is.. content. Not new gamble crates that can buy. But some like it i guess? *shrugs*

Do you know what a retread' is?

VERB [ T ]
to put a new rubber surface on the outer part of a worn tyre
to do something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas
to walk where someone else previously walked

Yes, i do agree.. that ESO kinda fits to the "something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas" and has sort of stagnated the last years. But it still has the Elder Scrolls IP so people will try it and play it as a chill solo game. I remember in official ESO forums there always are, time to time, ESO players asking if they can play it in offline mode, without other players, because other players are ruining their rp immersion. Not even joking. Go check and you find those threads there.

But, i think this discussion has been a good one to have. As long as people stay polite and talk about a game and not start some wars between people. These are all just games in the end. :) That are supposed to be fun. Same as food, we all got our favorites. Hardly anyone starts fighting or going personal insults if someone tells they like more some different food than what you like. :)

People just seem to sort of identify themselves too much on the games they play, so when someone says something about the game, they start raging like it's personal. These are company products. Some better than others. I always suggest people to try several games. Gives perspective, and broader vision what games offer what. Also, no need to be tribalistic "one game andy" who are always in a state of war against other games. :)

I currently play 2 mmo games, it's a perfect combo for me.

[MugHug]

Sofia♡ lähetti viestin:

MugHug lähetti viestin:

Do you know what a retread' is?

VERB [ T ]
to put a new rubber surface on the outer part of a worn tyre
to do something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas
to walk where someone else previously walked

Yes, i do agree.. that ESO kinda fits to the "something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas" and has sort of stagnated the last years. But it still has the Elder Scrolls IP so people will try it and play it as a chill solo game. I remember in official ESO forums there always are, time to time, ESO players asking if they can play it in offline mode, without other players, because other players are ruining their rp immersion. Not even joking. Go check and you find those threads there.

But, i think this discussion has been a good one to have. As long as people stay polite and talk about a game and not start some wars between people. These are all just games in the end. :) That are supposed to be fun. Same as food, we all got our favorites. Hardly anyone starts fighting or going personal insults if someone tells they like more some different food than what you like. :)

People just seem to sort of identify themselves too much on the games they play, so when someone says something about the game, they start raging like it's personal. These are company products. Some better than others. I always suggest people to try several games. Gives perspective, and broader vision what games offer what. Also, no need to be tribalistic "one game andy" who are always in a state of war against other games. :)

I currently play 2 mmo games, it's a perfect combo for me. :CatStarla:

I was more on about the same old debate based upon the same old views, same old so-called evidence and presented the same old way, thousands of times over the years. It seems that this topic has had more retreads then all the tires in the world.

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MugHug lähetti viestin:

Sofia♡ lähetti viestin:

VERB [ T ]
to put a new rubber surface on the outer part of a worn tyre
to do something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas
to walk where someone else previously walked

Yes, i do agree.. that ESO kinda fits to the "something that has been done before, without adding any new ideas" and has sort of stagnated the last years. But it still has the Elder Scrolls IP so people will try it and play it as a chill solo game. I remember in official ESO forums there always are, time to time, ESO players asking if they can play it in offline mode, without other players, because other players are ruining their rp immersion. Not even joking. Go check and you find those threads there.

But, i think this discussion has been a good one to have. As long as people stay polite and talk about a game and not start some wars between people. These are all just games in the end. :) That are supposed to be fun. Same as food, we all got our favorites. Hardly anyone starts fighting or going personal insults if someone tells they like more some different food than what you like. :)

People just seem to sort of identify themselves too much on the games they play, so when someone says something about the game, they start raging like it's personal. These are company products. Some better than others. I always suggest people to try several games. Gives perspective, and broader vision what games offer what. Also, no need to be tribalistic "one game andy" who are always in a state of war against other games. :)

I currently play 2 mmo games, it's a perfect combo for me.

I was more on about the same old debate based upon the same old views, same old so-called evidence and presented the same old way, thousands of times over the years. It seems that this topic has had more retreads then all the tires in the world.

Same topics, same shirt.

We've all been here before, i know.

[kerawinters]

Sofia♡ lähetti viestin:

Same topics, same shirt.

We've all been here before, i know.

ESO players are full of normies. Might wanna remember that. Small brain community can barely keep up with what you're saying. They're probably too busy farming Dolmens and AoE spamming mobs while thinking its 'content'. I had a guy tell me dancing in a tavern and getting paid while doing so was 'Roleplay'.

[vior wolfkin]

Just had a little stroll through Cyrodil ... There seems to be very few players here ?? Sat afternoon , Whitestrakes mayhem event AND the recent release of Arcanist i had expected it to be very busy ???? Maybe , just maybe he is right ??? Not having bought Arcanist i cannot speak for that , ?? BUT Cyrodil does seem far quieter than normal ?? Not that i spend much time in Cyrodil as i find the Cyrodil boring ! .. < Others may well like Cyrodil ! and good luck to them i say ! I simply prefer the PVE side of this game >

[ringod123]

vior wolfkin lähetti viestin:

Just had a little stroll through Cyrodil ... There seems to be very few players here ?? Sat afternoon , Whitestrakes mayhem event AND the recent release of Arcanist i had expected it to be very busy ???? Maybe , just maybe he is right ??? Not having bought Arcanist i cannot speak for that , ?? BUT Cyrodil does seem far quieter than normal ?? Not that i spend much time in Cyrodil as i find the Cyrodil boring ! .. < Others may well like Cyrodil ! and good luck to them i say ! I simply prefer the PVE side of this game >

Pop caps in cyro were lowered AGAIN (6th to 8th time in 4 years) when the server hardware was upgraded a couple of months back, that's how performance "improved". Its now 50 players per faction, 20% of what it used to be 4 years ago and the performance is still worse than it was back then too. It's very easy to tell for anyone who has played cyro for years or even played years ago and came back recently, so much less happens on the map compared to when the populations were 200+ per faction, hell even when they were 100+. That's what happens when you move all the calculations to the server so that you can get rid of your anti-cheat customer support agents to save a few thousand dollars per year.

There's still a few people who run around cyro decrying that "lowered pop caps is a conspiracy theory" but they refuse to go and look at some older youtube/twitch videos from a year ago, 2 year ago, 4 year ago to see just how much more action cyrodiil used to see during pop lock. Pretty sure they are only trying to convince themselves they didnt turn up 4+ years late and aren't playing a dead/dying game mode.

[Alekero]

Im kinda lazy to write all my thoughts and pasta...Sooo...Sofia is right.
But there could be more ppl playin cuz ESO got its own launcher and most of the players playin through it not steam. But at prime time there waaaaaaay less ppl in Necrom. Really.
I wish ESO could take a break, gather up and make something good as Morrowind or Summerset. But not its all about Clown Store milking.
I played since release in 2014 and never seen such bad condition. I wont say that game is dead or dyin but its not what it was back in the days. Gettin worse and seems like ZoS wont save it.

[⭐Rodent⭐]

Rheth Vathah lähetti viestin:

The steamchart is for users who play on steam only and does not reflect the number of users worldwide outside of steam. Using that page for games that come out on various platforms is stupid.

Sure, there are 2 or 3 more people playing (who don't use Steam) lol... Steam is a clear reference, most players use Steam, and stop repeating that unbelievable argument already

[St_Winter]

Diablo 4 is probably one of the reasons why it took a dip

[cheshirm]

⭐Rodent⭐ lähetti viestin:

Rheth Vathah lähetti viestin:

The steamchart is for users who play on steam only and does not reflect the number of users worldwide outside of steam. Using that page for games that come out on various platforms is stupid.

Sure, there are 2 or 3 more people playing (who don't use Steam) lol... Steam is a clear reference, most players use Steam, and stop repeating that unbelievable argument already

not an argument. FACT. the last time the servers were down, steam chart said there were over 4500 in game. on down servers. steam chart shows the number of players running the steam game launcher. they can be afk, sleeping, playing other games. the 4500 were NOT logged in. and 4500 was NOT the server population. the servers were DOWN.

please provide an official source that states the steam chart/steam community numbers = eso server population.

[Andrey]

Even 13k players is not bad. But i don't see all these people. Wanted to hunt dragons, to kill world bosses and could not find a company. Most of the time i see all 3 dragons in place and nobody around. It is hard to complete daily quests. I waste a lot of time on reloading, waiting, running around. Locations are empty.

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Right now only 10k current players says Steam charts. Yikes!

Also heard console Cyrodiil (open world pvp) is sadly dead, my last friends did quit console ESO because of that.

Even BDO has 21k current players, and it's a game where endgame is grinding mobs in the same place.

Not a very good look for ESO this year. Sad even.

I guess Necrom chapter did not keep players interest?

Rest of the years "content" now will be mostly just nerfs (balance updates they call it) from the combat dev team as usual. Big yikes.

"It's gonna be ballin'" -Rich Lambert, Creative Director of ESO

It really does not look to be exactly "ballin'", does it?

And as the person above me says, "even 13k would not be bad, but i dont see these people", most likely those people must be just doing writs and logout after that, or decorating their house alone, since no people seen in actual content and queues take forever. *shrugs*

[cheshirm]

"Right now only 10k current players says Steam charts. Yikes!"

please provide an official source that states the steam chart/steam community numbers = eso server population.

[ringod123]

cheshirm lähetti viestin:

"Right now only 10k current players says Steam charts. Yikes!"

please provide an official source that states the steam chart/steam community numbers = eso server population.

Game has been available on steam for 8 years and was available only outside of steam for its first year, which was received quite badly and therefore did not draw THAT many people in to start with. The game is well known to have failed pretty badly in its first year and not pick up large amounts of players until it did a large gameplay overhaul and released on steam.
Anyone who still thinks the majority or even a large percentage of PC players play outside of steam is ridiculous.
Lets not also forget that the steam numbers need cut in half if we are talking about server pop as there is NA and EU and steam numbers show amounts for both combined.

[SkinnyDipper]

Sassy Stepsister lähetti viestin:

Roadie lähetti viestin:

Sofia is a widely known troll. They were also in that "GW2 is better than ESO" thread fanning the troll flames with OP.

Ignore them. They're just a salty GW2 troll.

Widely known troll?

I have made 2 (two) topics here on ESO discussions on my entire LIFE time. So how am i trolling? Maybe mixing me up with someone else?

I do not wonder if ESO discussions have plenty of angry people, same on official ESO forums, there the moderators are power tripping tho and any negative review, even well thought out and posts that have valid pain points of ESO said in then, of the game is shut down. I have seen even content creators get banned/warned there just for telling their opinion as a long time player.

Here on Steam, the moderators actually follow the rules and guidelines, for most part. And so do i.

My post did not break any of the forum and community rules. It was opening a discussion, in a polite format, with real Steam charts data and some personal thoughts and opinions included. Such are allowed in the Steam forums.

If you do not agree with my post, or with Steam charts, you are allowed to your opinion also. But do not make things personal and start calling me a troll, thank you very much.

If not read anything else, read at least this:

My post, what i am talking about is a game. A game is a product. Made by a company. Zenimax Online Studios. A corporation that is there to milk money with gamble crown crates. And you think people have no right to say their opinions about a corporation product? Meanwhile, you call another person a troll and say i should get banned. I am not a corporation product. I am a real person. Hi, i'm a finnish girl, who lives in Helsinki. Enjoys mmo games and has played in past SWTOR and ESO (did quit because of it's problems and bad performance), and currently playing FF14 and GW2 (yes, two mmo at same time, multitasking, but they are both chill and compliment each others just fine). So, maybe if you feel the need to get angry at something, it should not be another fellow mmo gamer in a gaming discussion forum, for saying their opinion. I'm not a troll, thank you very much.

I do have opinions to give and like to talk about different mmo games, news, updates, happenings and so on in them. No need to get angry if someone has different opinion than you. My two posts have shown one thing tho, plenty of people agree with me on the pain points of ESO. Even many streamers do, they have said same things while live and can be seen on many clips on youtube also. ESO endgame community for PVE veteran raiding and PVP has become really small after the golden years of Summerset/Elsweyr. That is a fact you see if you play in the endgame. Circles are so small that everyone knows everyones name. People moved to other games often when hit endgame, when difficult to play the game, because cannot get groups for anything. No need to get angry at me for telling how me and others (even content creators) have seen it happen during last years.

I do wish you a good day though. We should be able to have a nice and civil conversation without going into personal insult level, or accusing of trolling if someone has a different opinion, right? :)

Love and Hugs