ESO versus Skyrim

[widukind]

I am just playing Skyrim that I bought 10 years ago and I find that developer Bethesda has thrown away lots of assets that made Skyrim attractive. It would have been so easy to transfer these assets to ESO but it did not happen. Instead they tried to invent the wheel again and came up short. Compared to Skyrim, Eso fells often feels like a Kindergarten where staff are desperately trying to shield children from the harshness of life. Skyrim feels gritty, straightforward and sometimes brutal. I want to give a few examples to explain what I mean. Lock picking has no artificial barrier. Even a novice can crack a master lock if he/she is good enough. With ESO and Fallout 4 they introduced skill barriers for lock picking, meaning a novice could only crack novice level locks. Another example is the very intuitive and natural relationship between the hero and his female companion. There is no level system that complicates everything but matters of proper gear and care in battle. After Skyrim, Bethesda introduced a world of complications that made their games less attractive and artificial. Another issue are graphics and battle resolution. Moving around in Skyrim feels raw, just as what one would expect of a medieval world. ESO is too polished for that. Immaculate roads and nature that looks like a park in London. Fighting in Skyrim feels immersive, hard and brutal, even at novice level. ESO's fighting can be done with one hand, whilst shovelling down a meal with the other. I could go on and on. Bethesda has made a dogs breakfast out of ESO and it is amazing that it still satisfies players, even myself, though often bored. Isn't it time for an honest, no holds barred review at the developer? What do you think?

[Thorncrypt]

what do you mean? I've opened advanced and master chests in ESO without issues even though my legerdemain level isn't high.

fighting in skyrim isn't challenging at all if you know how to build a decent mage. if you want a challenge in eso you can always try veteran or veteran hardmode content and see how "easy" it is.

[Zayrownd]

I played skyrim few years ago, i decided to give it another try with a new chatacter. Then i feel sleepy, the game was good, but its too repetitive, in eso you can find people to do anything (pvp, housing, contests, events, guild events, play with friends, etc)
If you like skyrim, go an keep playing that game over and over again

[Echsrick]

it kind of sounds like we play 2 differend games

[Ittrix]

They're different games? This is an MMORPG using the face of skyrim to make money. It isn't related to skyrim in any other way.

[Dr.Abscondus]

Apples and oranges. Skyrim was designed to be played in first person while with ESO it's third person. Switching between the two really changes the feel of a game. Skyrim is an offline single player game, ESO is an MMORPG. When ESO released, the internet, server, and home PC technology hadn't progressed to the point where they could make something that looked like Skyrim playable online. Since then ESO has been upgraded many times and with a major graphical update when the game released for the PS5. It doesn't look anything like it did when I first played it in 2015. The two games are not comparable. The nicest thing about ESO for me as a fan of the entire Elder Scrolls series is being able to go everywhere in Tamriel and not be stuck in a small area like Skyrim. Skyrim, being a single player game, has a beginning, a middle and an end. You progress through it following the plot line until you finish. Unless you mod it, it's always the same. ESO is open ended. It has changed and will change more as new content, new mechanics are added and improvements in technology make it possible to deliver better graphics and play online. If you don't like it now then come back next year. You might like it then.

[Aggromonk]

Originally posted by Ittrix:

They're different games? This is an MMORPG using the face of skyrim to make money. It isn't related to skyrim in any other way.

It isn't even using 'the face of skyrim' Skyrim is just a chapter in The Elder Scrolls.. Elder Scrolls Online is like all of the chapters in one place. It's an amazing experience.

[Axiata]

Originally posted by Yugen:

what do you mean? I've opened advanced and master chests in ESO without issues even though my legerdemain level isn't high.

fighting in skyrim isn't challenging at all if you know how to build a decent mage. if you want a challenge in eso you can always try veteran or veteran hardmode content and see how "easy" it is.

[Ittrix]

Originally posted by Aggromonk:

Originally posted by Ittrix:

They're different games? This is an MMORPG using the face of skyrim to make money. It isn't related to skyrim in any other way.

It isn't even using 'the face of skyrim' Skyrim is just a chapter in The Elder Scrolls.. Elder Scrolls Online is like all of the chapters in one place. It's an amazing experience.

The gameplay is entirely different and it was intentionally placed during a time period where nothing was written so they can retcon as needed.
I said Skyrim as it's the most recent and well known, but we can call it using the face of TES instead...

[Brucato]

I LOVE ESO but they changed the UI on it and now I am lost lol

[Rhomak]

Originally posted by jimkehn:

I LOVE ESO but they changed the UI on it and now I am lost lol

just change it back lol

[OniFire]

ESO uses that same old MMO formula (a WoW clone basically - the tried and true - and same as every MMO), predatory marketing, very bland overall and ♥♥♥♥ community (I don't like people in general though so maybe that one's on me or maybe people just really suck).

It's just another MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin.

MMOs are always pretty bad imo.
The focus on multiplayer online means everything else is watered down.

MMOs are always designed to suck you dry...
Your time and money that is. ESO is no different.
They're also well known to be highly addictive and since there's so much to do and so many rewards, there's pretty much an infinite supply of dopamine hits. This is the only way anyone could say that ESO is better than Skyrim (or Morrowind/Oblivion even) - they either prefer playing with other people or are easy prey for the predatory nature of MMOs.

You also can't really ever beat the game. It's all in the design. You're expected to play the game for years and repeat the same crap multiple times for a negligible increase to your DPS, to collect virtual items for decades to come, to feed your ego/e-peen, etc. To become addicted. So much to do and so much to see but it's quantity over quality. Again, it being an MMO means that everything is watered down - graphics and combat, for example. No radiant AI. The quest design - talk to NPC, do thing, collect reward. That's it. Nothing awesome like walking with Ulfric Stormcloak from Windhelm to the Throat of the World for the truce or the Thalmor Embassy party. No mods. No picking up object or placing buckets on heads. No ragdolls. It's obviously a downgrade.

But for me it's an Elder Scrolls theme park and it's fun to mess around in.
I play it like any other Elder Scrolls game and do my own thing. With enough willpower, it's not too difficult to have some fun. To play for an hour every so often. But yeah, it's nothing compared to the good, old fashioned solo Elder Scrolls experience.

[omgitsbees]

ESO is made by a different developer.

[Pr0udCh0sen1]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by OniFire:

ESO uses that same old MMO formula (a WoW clone basically - the tried and true - and same as every MMO), predatory marketing, very bland overall and ♥♥♥♥ community (I don't like people in general though so maybe that one's on me or maybe people just really suck).

It's just another MMO with an Elder Scrolls skin.

MMOs are always pretty bad imo.
The focus on multiplayer online means everything else is watered down.

MMOs are always designed to suck you dry...
Your time and money that is. ESO is no different.
They're also well known to be highly addictive and since there's so much to do and so many rewards, there's pretty much an infinite supply of dopamine hits. This is the only way anyone could say that ESO is better than Skyrim (or Morrowind/Oblivion even) - they either prefer playing with other people or are easy prey for the predatory nature of MMOs.

You also can't really ever beat the game. It's all in the design. You're expected to play the game for years and repeat the same crap multiple times for a negligible increase to your DPS, to collect virtual items for decades to come, to feed your ego/e-peen, etc. To become addicted. So much to do and so much to see but it's quantity over quality. Again, it being an MMO means that everything is watered down - graphics and combat, for example. No radiant AI. The quest design - talk to NPC, do thing, collect reward. That's it. Nothing awesome like walking with Ulfric Stormcloak from Windhelm to the Throat of the World for the truce or the Thalmor Embassy party. No mods. No picking up object or placing buckets on heads. No ragdolls. It's obviously a downgrade.

But for me it's an Elder Scrolls theme park and it's fun to mess around in.
I play it like any other Elder Scrolls game and do my own thing. With enough willpower, it's not too difficult to have some fun. To play for an hour every so often. But yeah, it's nothing compared to the good, old fashioned solo Elder Scrolls experience. :cozyskyrimvr:

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Pretty much this. ESO is just a standard MMO with an elder scrolls skin to attract fans. It's so empty yet bloated with stuff. Stuff designed to suck you dry of your time and money. Every new DLC is the exact same content island. All the quests are just a fetch and talk mission. Dungeons get tedious since they lack variety. The game would greatly benefit from procedural generated dungeons.

Skyrim is so free, full of life, you can interact with almost every aspect of the game, the combat actually has impact. You can actually beat Skyrim and enjoy what you earned where as ESO is just a dopamine chase.

I keep trying to get into ESO because friends play it but the combat just doesn't do it for me. The game isn't bad for an mmo, but I need better combat personally

[Pr0udCh0sen1]

I find the combat in Fallout 76 more satisfying when comparing it to Fallout 4, then I do comparing the combat in ESO to Skyrim. Yeah, yeah... different games entirely but the combat is a huge letdown in ESO

[FN]

These are 2 different games, ain't even worth comparing as long as you really enjoy playing one of them