Cyrodiil and You: How You're Getting Ganked

[Sly-Scale]

You're riding along on your horse, minding your own business on the way to a keep. Suddenly you just get... destroyed. How?

Well, that's why I'm here, to tell you what's going on.

The class for the job is a Nightblade. They have Teleport Strke, a long-reaching "melee attack." This is important, because melee attacks deal increased sneak-attack damage from behind. Teleport Strike lets them just come up and get you off your horse.
Wood Elves have extra sneak-attack damage, as well.

Nightblades also have an invisibility spell that guarantees that their next attack will be a critical hit.
Nightblades in PvE - who aren't specialized for crit damage - have no trouble dealing double damage with crits.
Someone specialized in the task of backstabbing players likely has 7 pieces of Divines armor worn, selecting the Shadow Mundus stone. This gives them at least another 14% more crit damage.
So you can expect nearly triple damage from getting critically hit.

And then, they break your armor. If a red pillar started to glow over you, they marked you with Piercing Mark or Reaper's Mark. Either you can't go invisible, or they deal 25% more damage after killing you. Either way, it breaks 5280 of your armor ratings, removing 8% damage reduction. This spell does not break their invisibility.
The first strike matters most to them. No armor set supports the first physical attack better than Spriggan's, which ignores roughly 3000 armor to remove another 5% damage reduction.
They might be wearing 1 piece of Kra'gh and 1 piece of a set like Selene, with Kra'gh breaking another 1500 armor and Selene's adding another 2% overall damage.
If you're playing on the Vivec server, they also would have more armor breakage - 2000 to 3000 - just with Champion Points.
Sharpened weapons break another 2400 armor.

Your armor could be broken enough to let them deal 34% to 46% more damage, depending on how much armor you have.

And then there's the Weapon Damage. If they can afford it, they may be wearing 3 gold-quality pieces. Likely given Infused, and enchanted for extra Weapon Damage. It's slightly deadlier than Robust jewelry pieces that are given the same enchantment.
Gold-quality weapons at Champion Point-160 get another 200 Weapon Damage above the usual.

[Sly-Scale]

They may be buffed by a nearby friend with Spell Power Cure, or Vestments of Olorime - increasing their Weapon Damage by 260.
They may be slotting 4 Fighter's Guild abilities and the ultimate on their gank bar for +10% (or was it 15%?) Weapon Damage.
Nightblades have 10% more weapon and spell power while hidden or invisible.
At the end of everything, they may have 4000-4500 Weapon Damage from glyphs, from set effects, from slotted passives... at the moment of hitting you.

This isn't the end of it: I haven't mentioned whatever second 5-piece set they would wear for the first strike. Maybe Morag Tong, to make you take 10% more Poison damage in case you survive, or Vicious Death, so you would explode on death and damage your allies for 7k flame damage. I'm not sure.

LONG STORY SHORT: It's completely normal to die to a Wood Elf Nightblade. Anyone would. It's okay to get 1-shot for being alone, for not being in a zerg, for having nobody around to turn around and destroy them. They're actually quite weak and easy to kill compared to other players of the same equipment level.

[Wolfstorm]

You dont need a wall of text to explain such simple thing.

There is no teleport in these attacks (at least, the ones which happened with me, and others I talked to), its just three or four snipes cast in just one second, while you are riding at full speed. Sometimes they came combined with one or two surprise attacks (a nightblade ability). If there was a teleport, it would show in the death recap, since the teleport do damage.

This can be acomplished with two things. First, the cheater uses a aimbot, because you are riding fast, and thats the only way for him to focus four snipes (or lethal arrows) in the same target, due to movement.

Second, the cheater uses a script which can affect global cooldown, and thats why I said ZOS have a security problem in Cyrodiil, and not a performance one.

The global cooldown is calculated server side, and as such, I suspect the cheater is hacking into the server, so that he can kill it for him, allowing him to cancel casting animation (which is not possible otherwise). Normally, you can only cancel light attacks, not casting abilities.

And dont insult my intelligence about armor. Me, and the others I talked to, were all clad in heavy armor. Also, the armor had the impenetrable trait.

The cheating in Cyrodiil is intense. Others have noticed it, including experienced players. But nodoby wants to talk about it, due to the cheating clique trying to ridicule those who expose it, and dismissing it with excuses such as lag or bugs.

[cyberblast]

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

The global cooldown is calculated server side, and as such, I suspect the cheater is hacking into the server

lol!?

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

allowing him to cancel casting animation (which is not possible otherwise). Normally, you can only cancel light attacks, not casting abilities.

Animation cancelling is not only possible for light attacks. There are a lot of explanations around how to do that, like this video on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/5fk3nm/animation_canceling_explained/

[Dubsky]

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

You dont need a wall of text to explain such simple thing.

There is no teleport in these attacks (at least, the ones which happened with me, and others I talked to), its just three or four snipes cast in just one second, while you are riding at full speed. Sometimes they came combined with one or two surprise attacks (a nightblade ability). If there was a teleport, it would show in the death recap, since the teleport do damage.

This can be acomplished with two things. First, the cheater uses a aimbot, because you are riding fast, and thats the only way for him to focus four snipes (or lethal arrows) in the same target, due to movement.

Second, the cheater uses a script which can affect global cooldown, and thats why I said ZOS have a security problem in Cyrodiil, and not a performance one.

The global cooldown is calculated server side, and as such, I suspect the cheater is hacking into the server, so that he can kill it for him, allowing him to cancel casting animation (which is not possible otherwise). Normally, you can only cancel light attacks, not casting abilities.

And dont insult my intelligence about armor. Me, and the others I talked to, were all clad in heavy armor. Also, the armor had the impenetrable trait.

The cheating in Cyrodiil is intense. Others have noticed it, including experienced players. But nodoby wants to talk about it, due to the cheating clique trying to ridicule those who expose it, and dismissing it with excuses such as lag or bugs.

It would be fun reading your comments if you had fundamental knowledge about programming / attacking / scripting / server structure, or anything in general you're talking about.

But confronted with facts you reply with "cheating" accusations.

Be careful, the next Forum ban will prob. be permanent ;)

[Sly-Scale]

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

First, the cheater uses a aimbot

The projectiles home in, unless you dodge. Everybody's projectiles home in, on all enemies. Yours too. Does that make you a cheater? No. Learn the game. Also, if it was a projectile, then you didn't wear a sword and shield and use Defensive Posture - a 30 second buff - to deflect the projectile and buy you time to drink an invisibility potion.

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

Second, the cheater uses a script which can affect global cooldown

You're confusing that with light attacks, which happen alongside abilities. It's called weaving. Anyone can do this. You too. Learn the game.

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

And dont insult my intelligence about armor. Me, and the others I talked to, were all clad in heavy armor. Also, the armor had the impenetrable trait.

Armor penetration is even more effective on higher armor: 46% more damage than you're used to, for being broken from 33k armor down to 22k. Oh, I forgot about maces. They might have dual-wielded maces against your heavy armor; they're more effective than swords against 22k armor. You will still die.

EDIT: Wait, you meant bows. Bows do more damage at longer ranges, you know.

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

The cheating in Cyrodiil is intense. Others have noticed it, including experienced players. But nodoby wants to talk about it, due to the cheating clique trying to ridicule those who expose it, and dismissing it with excuses such as lag or bugs.

Okay there's nothing left to discuss, because I'd have noticed a DPS in my 2500+ hours of playing ESO doing what you're talking about. Synergies are on a separate cooldown from abilities and light attacks.

Meanwhile I got boxes to lift around the house. Good day, armchair warrior.

[Commancho]

NBs are my favorite targets. Nobody dies as fast as NB.

[Sly-Scale]

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

Sometimes they came combined with one or two surprise attacks (a nightblade ability).

Surprise Attack breaks 5280 physical armor, sets you off-balance and also stuns you if used from invisibility. Off-Balance makes you take 50% more heavy attack damage, extends existing stuns and makes them unbreakable. A Champion Point passive also makes Off-balance opponents take 10% more damage.

Surprise Attack is also a Stamblade's go-to spammable, for quick kills when Killer's Blade isn't available against low-health targets.

Frankly, you don't sound like you know anything about Nightblades. They will kill you if they want to, end of story. Stick with a group and prepare to be revived, be a Nightblade yourself, or be a Dragonknight tank as a Nord with 7x Impenetrable, Robes of Transmutation, Impregnable armor, and an active damage shield while actively being spam-burst-healed by a Warden by sheer luck.

(P.S. Forgot, they'll slap Oblivion Damage on their weapon so they deal ~3k true damage, bypassing even Battle Spirit's seemingly global 50% damage reduction.)

[Wolfstorm]

It seems you guys fail to understand what I exposed. Or you fake it.

The cheaters execute three snipes and two surprise attacks in just one second. They one-shot players with 30k physical resistance on horseback.

Its not possible to cancel animations on cast. You can only cancel light attacks. Casting abilities will always have a cast time, based on the global cooldown. The cheaters are using a hacking script to bypass it, like the one the train bots use. This was confirmed by other players as well.

But I will not dwell on this topic any longer. I left Cyrodiil and will not look back (despite the good time I had with some pugs there). PvP in this game is broken, there is no protection against cheating. ZOS dont care for it.

The cheaters can keep their trash arena, for all I care. There, they can cheat each other, the one with the fastest cheats, wins. But keep in mind, there is no merit on doing it. Its a trash arena, for trash players. Thats all.

[Sly-Scale]

30k physical resistance? That's it? That's 45% pre-breakage damage reduction you know. If 10k armor is broken - and it will be - it's reduced to 30% damage reduction. They're missing that golden 50% post-breakage reduction. It needs to be 43k, maybe 45k or 46 or even 48k to account for dual-wielded maces, and backed up by an easy source of Minor Protection, like a Warden's Ice Fortress.

My MagBlade is built for sustained DPS in PvE, and her Inferno Staff's heavy attack + Swallow Soul can both crit together for 30k damage against someone with no armor. Reduced by 50%, that's 15k. Reduced by 30%, that's 11.5k. An Oblivion glyph isn't factored in for 3k true damage, nor is her staff's trait, nor her Mundus Stone. She has Julianos and Infalliable Aether - neither of which are anything like Spinner's, which breaks magic armor. Her jewelry isn't gold, it's not Infused, she's an Argonian wearing 5/1/1 Light/med/heavy armor...

She's not even remotely built to burst players down, not even sneaking as a Wood Elf Stamina Nightblade, and she's very capable of knocking out a third of an amateur PvP tank's health in an instant.

[Sly-Scale]

There's a reason they attack lone, mounted or separated players: they bank everything on scoring that kill, and disappearing before anyone has a chance to delete them. It's all damage, no survivability.

[Hawkstein]

Saw a hive of bots with cheats in Cyrodiil sticked all together, mostly templars and sorcerers, we had to zerg them 4~10 times to kill them one by one. Another (and easier) way is that all of them target a single person, so we can circle around them from afar and spam hard CC before we gank them ( or just check who are they targeting and ask the target to lure them out, that's how I got the Elder Scroll few times without them chasing me).

@OP why are you posting on the Discussions when you can make a Guide?

[Hawkstein]

Автор сообщения: Wolfstorm

First, the cheater uses a aimbot, because you are riding fast, and thats the only way for him to focus four snipes (or lethal arrows) in the same target, due to movement.

Second, the cheater uses a script which can affect global cooldown, and thats why I said ZOS have a security problem in Cyrodiil, and not a performance one.

The global cooldown is calculated server side, and as such, I suspect the cheater is hacking into the server, so that he can kill it for him, allowing him to cancel casting animation (which is not possible otherwise). Normally, you can only cancel light attacks, not casting abilities.

And dont insult my intelligence about armor. Me, and the others I talked to, were all clad in heavy armor. Also, the armor had the impenetrable trait.

The cheating in Cyrodiil is intense. Others have noticed it, including experienced players. But nodoby wants to talk about it, due to the cheating clique trying to ridicule those who expose it, and dismissing it with excuses such as lag or bugs.

I think there might be another factor to sum with those, a Redguard Stam Nightblade from DC throws an a spectral bow from Relentless Focus at an Argonian Templar cheater from EP, yet it only deals less than 1/16th of its HP and the cheater 2-shots our Nightblade. Since we were at non-CP 7-day campaign, I believe that there might be aswell a cheat that also enables CP on non-CP campaigns, if not a cheat that might put 100CP at every slot.

[Wolfstorm]

Автор сообщения: Hawkstein

I think there might be another factor to sum with those, a Redguard Stam Nightblade from DC throws an a spectral bow from Relentless Focus at an Argonian Templar cheater from EP, yet it only deals less than 1/16th of its HP and the cheater 2-shots our Nightblade. Since we were at non-CP 7-day campaign, I believe that there might be aswell a cheat that also enables CP on non-CP campaigns, if not a cheat that might put 100CP at every slot.

That is because their cheating scripts increase their attributes, something the champion points also do, which gives us the impression that they are using their cps in a non-cp campaign.

They increase not only the basic attributes, but also damage, resistances and regeneration. Thats why they have infinite healing. See the ability Vigor, for example. This ability is a HoT, but in the case of the cheaters, it heals in one second, like Healing Ritual do.

I remember that, sometimes, I stopped zerging and just observed the fight, and the cheater healed himself constantly, like he had a never-ending pool of stamina, and always healing for one third (or more) of their health. Some have a automated healing, and they never go below a certain % of their health.

Thats why you should zerg more. The zerg is the only thing that can defeat a cheater. You can theorize all the way you want, but no build will stop them from one-shooting you. The numbers they use are higher than anything a build can provide, because they are using hacking scripts.