PSA for those queuing for Veteran (DLC) Dungeons.

[Amokeus Rotasch]

This is your neighborhood healer with a public service announcement for those adventurers that love delving into the harder versions of dungeons, whether it be for their daily pledges or simply because they enjoy a challenge. Now, regular non-DLC Veteran dungeons are a joke but it doesn't hurt to follow these guidelines nontheless.

1. Please utilize a food or drink buff. I don't care if you're using a random stale white-quality pie you've found in a tent somewhere in Stonefalls for your normal dungeons, but please take something with a little more 'oompfh' into the Veteran dungeons. Nobody's asking you to gobble up a Clockwork Citrus Filet or whatever, but a Witchmother's Brew or a Dubious Camaran Throne would be highly appreciated so I don't need to pick your scrawny sub-20K character up from the floor since you couldn't survive a single light attack from an add.

2. Now, this one only really accounts if you deliberately look for a certain Veteran dungeon for a pledge. Especially with the DLC dungeons, you NEED. TO. KNOW. your mechanics. It takes about two minutes to look up a guide for the dungeon you're willing to do. I don't care if you're lazy, or if you cannot read properly. There are a bazillion guides online that give you a good impression of what a dungeon's boss is going to be like. Nobody likes the DPS who doesn't see the wall of Aurorans in Depths of Malatar or a Tank who doesn't know that he needs to plug volcano holes in Bloodroot Forge. There is no excuse if you looked for the dungeon. Your lack of knowledge will handicap the entire group VERY badly.

3. Do ensure that you are somewhat familiar with your skills, how they flow into each other, and that you sufficiently fit in the role you've picked. The amount of times I've seen a 500+ CP DPS spam Force Pulse over and over again on a single bar is worryingly high. Don't be like them. You have two bars and a plethora of skills, and guides online to give you some insight into what works and what doesn't. If I can pump out 10K DPS with a full healing setup using about two abilities, then you as a designated damage dealer should do more than that. No excuses.

4. If people in your group try to explain what you're doing wrong, don't take it personally. They're trying to help you. Ignoring their advice because you're convinced you can face-tank everything is not going to help the situation. In the end, more often than not someone is more than happy to write out a quick overview of the mechanics if you point out you aren't familiar with them. We're here to help. Being stubborn and refusing said help often entitles you to a very swift kick.

5. Don't be a fake role. It's rude, childish and severely gimps the team. I don't care if you're pumping 200K DPS and can bypass every mechanic in the dungeon. If you're not tanking when you're queued up as a Tank, you're getting the boot. This only really matters in Veteran (DLC) Dungeons and not Normal ones, ofcourse.

6. I and most healers tend to target a specific area with heals, and enjoy people grouped up somewhat so we can buff them with Combat Prayers. Don't be the headless chicken that jumps, dodges and weaves through the entire boss fight when there's no need to. Centralised heals and Combat Prayers are your friends. I can't buff you if you're in the back of the room.

And there you have it! Go out there and show me just how Undaunted you truly are. But if I catch you Force-Pulsing your way through a dungeon, just know I will glance at you in silent disappointment. SILENT. DISAPPOINTMENT.

[>//The_FALCON]

some things i wanna add

2.
there's a normal version. play it. no excuse to not have the mechanics down... Also, during a normal run, you should be looking out for any mechanics and learn them. if you need a teammate to explain to you that something is yeeting you into the blood pool 4 fking times in a row, there's something seriously wrong with your brain.

3.
but that's the only reason they even picked dps. they don't wanna have to use their brains.

6. yeah, dont run around like a headless chicken. you're the tank, there's no need to dodge heals. and if ur dps you have literally nothing to worry about as the tank is the one tanking... oh and ffs stay IN FRONT of the healer, i don't care you're mag dps, you won't get healed if you are not in front of the healer.

[Echo2Omega]

wait?

Normal dungeons have mechanics?

[Turtleswatter]

I know exactly what you mean about the headless chickens and spamming one skill :D
But I would like to point out some places where I think you're a little harsh.

Now, this one only really accounts if you deliberately look for a certain Veteran dungeon for a pledge. Especially with the DLC dungeons, you NEED. TO. KNOW. your mechanics. It takes about two minutes to look up a guide for the dungeon you're willing to do. I don't care if you're lazy, or if you cannot read properly. There are a bazillion guides online that give you a good impression of what a dungeon's boss is going to be like. Nobody likes the DPS who doesn't see the wall of Aurorans in Depths of Malatar or a Tank who doesn't know that he needs to plug volcano holes in Bloodroot Forge. There is no excuse if you looked for the dungeon. Your lack of knowledge will handicap the entire group VERY badly.

That's easier said than done. I've often looked up the bazillion guides and sadly, once I've got into the dungeon everything left my very little brain and I couldn't remember a thing XD. I'm not the most acute person but unfortunately the way I learn is doing and making mistakes. Having said that I'm really grateful if someone takes the time to talk me through it. Unfortunately most people are like the second poster.

there's a normal version. play it. no excuse to not have the mechanics down... Also, during a normal run, you should be looking out for any mechanics and learn them. if you need a teammate to explain to you that something is yeeting you into the blood pool 4 ♥♥♥♥♥ times in a row, there's something seriously wrong with your brain.

I'll think you'll find that a lot of the mechanics that are evident in a vet dungeon are just not there in the normal. But even if they were, since the transmute system, nobody actually runs a RND normally these days. As a teaching tool to learn the mechanics of a vet dungeon a RND is a complete bust.

[💫𝓗yp𝟹rspac𝟹💫]

If I can make an observation w/o getting beheaded:

It's Gazillion, not Bazillion.

Could make more observations, but everything is pretty much fine as it is and I'm a bit tired and aloof atm, so see you in Tamriel when I shake off the unproductive tiredness.

[Ghetto Gecko]

Phew, and I almost thought you will rant about Pale Order carriers. Seems you are fine with them :P

[Amokeus Rotasch]

Originally posted by Ghetto Gecko:

Phew, and I almost thought you will rant about Pale Order carriers. Seems you are fine with them :P

I haven't seen anyone silly enough to run that ring in a Veteran DLC dungeon, and I certainly hope I never do see one.

[💫𝓗yp𝟹rspac𝟹💫]

Originally posted by Dendrius Starn:

Originally posted by Ghetto Gecko:

Phew, and I almost thought you will rant about Pale Order carriers. Seems you are fine with them :P

I haven't seen anyone silly enough to run that ring in a Veteran DLC dungeon, and I certainly hope I never do see one.

I may still be a learner in Dungeon matters, but afaik, the usefulness of such device relied in allow solo play for vampires, but due to their strong weakness to fire and how easy enemies can proc anything now, vampires are... a gimmick now (but only cuz difficulty to survive attacks, so good AoE's will render them out of commission despite lengthy invis). I know it still a good thing for non-vampires then, but player should soon realize that at dungeons is better to apply ye olde precept of "ye best way to stay alive in ESO is to kill'em all before they kill ya" than sacrifice the slot for that ring, and so get a good team--its DLC one, not base game one--and the best build you can make for... lets say Trial cuz why not. So Healers and Tanks are "the order of the day" for true advanced content.

[blc]

Hello dedicated healer, your role is useless and I as a off healer put out 40k dps and still keep the group buffed and alive.

[Amokeus Rotasch]

It's also simply a big difficulty gap between Normal and Veteran dungeons, and most importantly, Veteran non-DLC dungeons and Veteran DLC dungeons. You can faceroll through a good chunk of the base game content even on higher difficulties, but the DLCs often have very unforgiving one-shot mechanics and specific interactions you need to do in order to stand a chance.

Zenimax created this fake image that you don't need to do anything special in the earlier dungeons, and so people who find themselves in the harder content are suddenly caught by surprise since they need to adapt to situations and need to keep their head on a swivel.

[Amokeus Rotasch]

Originally posted by blc:

Hello dedicated healer, your role is useless and I as a off healer put out 40k dps and still keep the group buffed and alive.

I've seen you trolling in quite a few threads (and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been banned yet, but alas, I'll file another report to try and change that). While it's true to a degree that a very high and coordinated DPS-team and a Tank can struggle their way though a dungeon, I guarantee you that most randomly-selected groups desperately need a Healing/Support role in order to keep themselves sustained and alive. Things like Bloodroot Forge, Stone Garden, Moongrave Fang and many other dungeons you're not going to get far without someone to back you up.

TL:DR: I think everyone on this forum knows you're a dedicated troll right now, and apparently you can't even get your facts right. Either that or you haven't done anything past the base game Veteran dungeons yet. Try a trial sometime.

[blc]

Originally posted by Dendrius Starn:

Originally posted by blc:

Hello dedicated healer, your role is useless and I as a off healer put out 40k dps and still keep the group buffed and alive.

I've seen you trolling in quite a few threads (and I'm honestly surprised you haven't been banned yet, but alas, I'll file another report to try and change that). While it's true to a degree that a very high and coordinated DPS-team and a Tank can struggle their way though a dungeon, I guarantee you that most randomly-selected groups desperately need a Healing/Support role in order to keep themselves sustained and alive. Things like Bloodroot Forge, Stone Garden, Moongrave Fang and many other dungeons you're not going to get far without someone to back you up.

TL:DR: I think everyone on this forum knows you're a dedicated troll right now, and apparently you can't even get your facts right. Either that or you haven't done anything past the base game Veteran dungeons yet. Try a trial sometime.

I'm tired of all these high horse healers that think they are so needed in vet dungeons. Healing is the easiest part and so forgiven. I've run every vet dungeon on my healer and that is just with 1 healing skill. The other skills are for dps and buff/debuffing, and I keep up with the other dps maybe do 10-20% less dps than a dedicated dps.

[Kurokun14]

PSA: Stop leaving vets cause ppl arent up to your dps standard, some players are in here to get the gear we need for our sets to do that dmg