[ UNBALANCED PVP ]

[TheS1X]

I am not sure what ESO devs are doing but whatever they are doing, it is very wrong way.
So, we won BG but there was some magica Warden that melted everyone with 1 second, ofc, combination of regular spells but with 1 second? After BG everyone seemed to be shocked by such build?
Was that cheating?
IF not, why this game is so unbalanced?
It ruins fun and competition, there is no point to fight against gods, right?
Maybe there is time to remove pvp because it is useless anyways.

[drunken.dx]

*hides before PVP players arrive*

[TheS1X]

I am PVP player mostly and i have never seen such unbalanced crap in any game to be honest. Seriously, WTF is going on here.
Other thing what i have experienced is guy running around with blue AOE around him that kills with few seconds. :D
And templars who spam those jabs, nothing else :D
GEEZ, this game is a joke!

[sergykid]

there's a pvp guide here on Steam that might help you.

pvp is broken and too difficult to be bothered with. That guy you are talking about, was wearing a defensive build but using proc sets to deal damage, and sustain from whatever else. It's common at a higher rating.

[OldMemes.biz]

*Takes notes for later when he actually tries PVP*

Yes, yes. Please continue.

[Solitude]

Killed by shalk? You should've see what kill you on the toggle and tell us here, could be not his damage alone. Or it could be that you r not full hp with debuff like vulnerability and off balance, then got hit by shalk or storm or both and you don't even block or dodge, yes it will kill you in a second.
Same thing when you encounter other class as well

[Echo2Omega]

When I land a match with 35 - 40 kills and 0 deaths is is because:

The other players don't dodge.
Don't block.
Didn't "move out of the stupid"
Don't use defensive abilities.
Don't use CC abilities.
Didn't use any sort of healing.
Did not gear for PVP.
Try to 1 v X rather than position for a X v 1 fight.

Multiple combinations of the above listed.

[valera-wrx]

balance died 1-1.5 year ago, ZOS fully favors DLC classes over base ones
anyway skill is still much more important

[Donauwelle]

Well yeah "Balance" and "ESO PVP" never really worked that great... Especially in BG´s without any matchmaking its a Nightmare... Honestly im a "part-time" pvpler... however I have 3.800 hrs of ESO playtime on my steamcounter (Playing since its on steam) so "part-time" still means 1000 hours PVP.... Now guess what happens if you (as a New player) meet me in a BG.... I dont need to "Cheat" or "Cheese".... I just played the game for so long at this point i exacly know what you are going to do even before you know it... I just seen it all at this point....
Not to mention that i know all animations so always going to "counter" you the best way possible while also using the "best" sets/skills to stomp you into the ground....

Having no..."ELO" or any other Matchmaking mechainc is completly destroying any attempt of Balance...

Really BG´s are the least balanced part in ESO^^

[TheS1X]

I am not that new player who don't know how to fight or whatever, I block, roll away and do stuff to escape if I see such OP players that are usually Wardens, Templars, Necros or some SORC hybrid builds. I know how to choose fights too but on BGs it is rather impossible and pointless, they slow you down, eat up your stamina, there is no way to escape, just give up and stand there.
I saw a video on youtube few weeks ago about some last patch builds and the whole video was about templar at Cyrodiil that invaded some enemy castle, slaying everyone alone and then at the end there was another templar with who he fighted ages 1 vs 1.
I just don't get why to let people do such OP builds? Do Devs actually test play them selves?
Ok, I undestand that all classes can not be balanced but it is nonsense that they are unbalanced trough roof of extremes.
First post I made on this topic was about Warden that killed people even when they spawned, under 1 second, and it was him alone. It was even more suspecious because I was not only one who noticed that it was far from normal.
I just feel that they nerf classes that do not need nerf and boost classes that need nerf. Anyways, ofc, this my opinion and I am not expert on things but I just feel like this game will dissapoint lots of players sooner or later.

[Donauwelle]

Just played a BG with magica DK... went 25-0 K/D in Relic hunt while getting 4/5 relics for my team .... using Grothdar-Caluurion-Spellstrat.... So i was using 0 Defence besides my Buffs Went 1v4 multiple times and burned them to the ground.... Its not about Op Classes...
But about player who know how to burst 4 guys without taking any dmg himself....
Sure Jabbas (Templer) W4rd3n and Boneboiis (Nekros) are the most prefered PVP classes due to their bloated and VERY easy to use kits but generally its all about the player...
You gotta know how to animationcancel which buffs you use and what your enemys are doing... blahblah

Not saying PVP is balanced in any way.... however you can make anything "OP" in PVP

Take the W4rD3n.... Usually its enough to use the bugs+2H execute to kill most players with 20-25k HP with this combo alone.... (thats prob what happend to your team in the example.... this combo can be used in 1sec and gonna rek most ppl)
Jabbas just use their Jabs and Buff themselfes/debuff enemys deal dmg and Heal all in one spell
Nekros use their Bonegiant and are unkillable for the duration while using their scythe to deal pretty neat dmg + heal
and so on....

Rly PVP was never "big" in eso neither BG´s nor Cyro.... This is best seen in patchnotes... PVP is basicly neglected by Developer AND the community..... its used to get the daily XP´s Transmuties and APs for the Golden vendor... thats it basicly

[Donauwelle]

So to make it short..... If you are a Full fletched PVP dude.... dont play ESO :) or atleast dont play BG´s.... Cyro is another thing due to the Openworld theme buuuuut... yeah most experienced PPL just group up form a buff-ball-of-doom and run arround spamming ults..... super effective... super boring...

[TheS1X]

I am old ESO player and as you just described, you can not do such stuff with NB for example. I have 2 max NBs bythway, one for magicka and one for stamina, magica is kinda cool because cloak but runs short with damage and if stuned, I am dead. With stam NB, I can kill only when player is not ready but even then most classes can heal instantly and they are back on track to kill me. I think I am skilled enough with NB to know what is going on with PVP. It is just UNBALANCED piece of ♥♥♥♥ !
And for sure, I am not going to stay there and wait till ZOS balances this ♥♥♥♥, If there is better game to play, I go.
It makes me just lil sad because overall this game is done amazingly well, PVP is just otter crap.

[Donauwelle]

mmmmh NB´s are arguably the worst for BG´s..... The stealth will only fool the most inexperienced players and as long as you are not going for a Bomberbuild (in Cyro) you are in a pretty bad spot.
The guaranteed Crit can be usefull to oneshoot some squisheys buuut.... this guys would be oneshoots for most other classes aswell so i wouldnt call this a "sellingpoint"

In pve however NB is one of (if not THE) strongest DPS class...

However if im not mistaken NB is the next Class wich will get a small overhaul.... maybe its more viable after this one....

fun fact.... in my guild were always joking NB pvp players are just 14year old Japan-comic-kids (no offense)

[TheS1X]

Sadly, I am 34 years old Scandinavian, Japan kids, most likely will play better. :D
But, ok, lets see what that overhaul looks like.

[OldMemes.biz]

Originally posted by TheS1X:

Sadly, I am 34 Scandinavian, Japan kids, most likely will play better. :D
But, ok, lets see what that overhaul looks like.

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