The Elder Scrolls Online

The Elder Scrolls Online

wubbelflup May 30, 2021 @ 4:40am
Sending mage lady to madman?
Is that what i should've chosen?
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Katzh May 30, 2021 @ 5:05am 
yes
Psyringe May 30, 2021 @ 5:24am 
You can really choose what you want to. :)

More materialistic and reward-oriented players generally recommend sacrificing the lady because it gives you 2 skill points that you otherwise won't get. But those 2 points don't matter - there are more than 470 skill points in the game, that's much more than you need. My character has the skills for several builds, is a fully-fledged crafter and scryer, and still has 90 points to spare that I can't spend on anything I'd realistically use.

More emphatic and store-oriented players recommend saving the lady, because she never did you any wrong (in fact she supported you throughout the quest line), and (as she tells you) she considers living in eternal madness "a fate worse than death". It doesn't give you any material reward, but it clearly is the "right thing" to do.
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Turtleswatter May 30, 2021 @ 7:10am 
It's a game though, don't fret. Hopefully you'll do another character and maybe decide to take a different course. I've done some really bad things in this game just to see how it turned out if I chose the other path. At the end of the day - it's just pixels :D
drunken.dx May 30, 2021 @ 8:55am 
Originally posted by Psyringe:
You can really choose what you want to. :)

More emphatic and store-oriented players recommend saving the lady, because she never did you any wrong (in fact she supported you throughout the quest line), and (as she tells you) she considers living in eternal madness "a fate worse than death". It doesn't give you any material reward, but it clearly is the "right thing" to do.

Is it?

Sane Valaste is one of the best MG has, but is also openly hated by other MG members, and only person that understood her is dead.

It's not black/white decision, but choosing what you see as "lesser evil".

either sane, top tier, but hated and alone, or totally bonkers and at least happy.

And who can guarantee that Sheogorath will actually give up on her? He actually went out of his way to make her insane in first place.
he promised? and you believe him? he's daedric prince, only way for him to give up is making him lose interest.
Blueyce May 30, 2021 @ 10:30am 
NO! Saving her was the right thing to do.
In all the quest conversations I had with Valaste, she was nothing but respectful. kind, helpful, and caring.
She was the victim of the mad god, and did not deserve being sentenced to such madness.

That is just me. When I play I like to play the hero who helps and saves people. Not some cold hearted ruthless bastard mercenary that is in for themselves and what they can get for themselves. But again that is just me.

And as @Turtleswatter pointed out "It's a game".

So play the way you feel, and enjoy.
Psyringe May 30, 2021 @ 10:49am 
Originally posted by drunken.dx:
Is it?
Yes. :)

Originally posted by drunken.dx:
Sane Valaste is one of the best MG has, but is also openly hated by other MG members, and only person that understood her is dead.
Would you condemn a real person to live in an asylum for the rest of their life just because they are a loner and some of their colleagues dislike them?

Originally posted by drunken.dx:
either sane, top tier, but hated and alone, or totally bonkers and at least happy.
You consider her "happy" with a fate that she literally describes as "worse than death"? Again, you're condemning a person to eternal asylum just because others dislike them. If you perpetually set them under drugs so that they don't recognize the situation they are in, does this _really_ justify the decision?

Originally posted by drunken.dx:
And who can guarantee that Sheogorath will actually give up on her? He actually went out of his way to make her insane in first place.
he promised? and you believe him? he's daedric prince, only way for him to give up is making him lose interest.
Sheogorath is completely unpredictable, so condemning a person to eternal insanity based on what you _think_ he might or might not do is quite a stretch. In any case, this is an argument like "This person has suffered through attempted robbery, so let's lock her up until she dies, for her own safety, because the robbers might try again". Which isn't very convincing in my eyes. ;)

From any currently accepted ethical perspective, it should be _her_ decision what she does with her life, and she clearly finds living in Shegorath's realm as a madwoman "worse than death". It doesn't become _your_ decision just because Sheogorath offers you a bribe if you sacrifice her.

All that said - as others already mentioned, this is just a game. So if someone says "I don't care about an NPC I'll never see again, I want those 2 skill points", that's a valid decision and doesn't make them a monster. I'm just pointing out that attempts to rationalize the decision as "the lesser evil" are doomed to fail.
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wubbelflup May 30, 2021 @ 10:56am 
okay i got no skill points so materially it is a lose. does it change the game in any other way?
Psyringe May 30, 2021 @ 11:13am 
Originally posted by wubbelflup:
okay i got no skill points so materially it is a lose. does it change the game in any other way?
No. The only other change is that the lady will stand outside of the main hall in Eyevea, and she has already given you a frost staff that is just a regular set item. Neither of which has a noticeable effect on your game,
drunken.dx May 30, 2021 @ 12:38pm 
Originally posted by Psyringe:
All that said - as others already mentioned, this is just a game. So if someone says "I don't care about an NPC I'll never see again, I want those 2 skill points", that's a valid decision and doesn't make them a monster. I'm just pointing out that attempts to rationalize the decision as "the lesser evil" are doomed to fail.


LOL

It's actually "I see my decision as morally superior" argument.

Funny logic, actually. And your reasoning. Really.

There is no moral high ground here. Both Vestige and Valaste are pawns used by stupid mage trying to fix his mistakes and god of order turned into god of madness. Sheogorath at least has enough honor to openly admit manipulating his pawns, unlike certain mage.
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Psyringe May 30, 2021 @ 12:57pm 
Originally posted by drunken.dx:
It's actually "I see my decision as morally superior" argument.

Funny logic, actually. And your reasoning. Really.
Well, I haven't heard any argument to the contrary. I mean, your own rationalization amounts to "Let's lock someone up in an asylum against her will for the rest of her life, keep her drugged up so she remains "happy", and we'll justify this with her colleagues not liking her". That's simply not a good argument. If you have better ones, let's hear them. :)

Right now, all you have to say about that, is that you find it "funny". That's a rather unconvincing reply, I think. ;)

Originally posted by drunken.dx:
There is no moral high ground here. Both Vestige and Valaste are pawns used by stupid mage trying to fix his mistakes and god of order turned into god of madness. Sheogorath at least has enough honor to openly admit manipulating his pawns, unlike certain mage.
That's just whataboutism. You're trying to say that the sanity of an innocent can be sacrificed against her will because bigger forces with questionable motives are trying to manipulate everything and thus it doesn't really matter. That's not very convincing either, I'm afraid. Even _if_ you find Shalidor's methods manipulative and his motives questionable, that's not an (ethically) valid reason to sacrifice an innocent who (under that premise) got manipulated by him.

Again - this is just a game, and I'm not judging anyone who just wants those two skill points. But if we _do_ look at the situation from this (optional) ethical point of view, then it's extremely clear. Someone is bribing you to commit an innocent against her will to live the rest of her life in insanity, a state she considers "worse than death". And you can absolutely say "I wanted the bribe, so I did it". But there is simply no reasonable way to argue "I accepted the bribe because committing the lady to a life in insanity was ethically the right thing to do", sorry.
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Katzh May 30, 2021 @ 1:35pm 
I always go for the evilish, punisher, npc don't deserve to be saved kind of decisions ;)
cire87 May 30, 2021 @ 4:13pm 
best two skill points , would do again cause you lose nothing for turning her in and gain nothing by saving her
she was most innocent so deserved saving.
wubbelflup May 30, 2021 @ 6:42pm 
Originally posted by cire87:
best two skill points , would do again cause you lose nothing for turning her in and gain nothing by saving her
Yeah tbh i would've done that next time.
Mus Canus May 31, 2021 @ 12:07pm 
Originally posted by Psyringe:
she considers living in eternal madness "a fate worse than death"
To be as boring as she was before uncle Sheo took her is a fate worse than death. Now the books are her friends and she has butterflies.
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