The Elder Scrolls Online

The Elder Scrolls Online

Tazor Jul 6, 2021 @ 12:42pm
How grindy is this?
For someone who buys just the base game. No crowns, no premium membership. On average how much time would I need to get ONE character full of best in slot gear?

The PVP. Is there any open world PVP? Instanced? Does gear matter in PVP or is it just cosmetic?

Where are the expansions? I clearly remember a Morrowind expansion. I don't see it on the store.
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Kozzy Jul 6, 2021 @ 1:36pm 
Not all that grindy imo, I havn't felt a need to buy any crowns or permium membership. I might get another expansion after this first 80 hours or so is done, but for now I am fine.

The Morrowind expansion comes with the base game now for free. The latest expansion is on steam, but the other ones you buy in game.


Not to sure on PVP atm, but this might help https://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp
Lady_Galadhiel Jul 6, 2021 @ 1:39pm 
I will try to keep my answer short because I am currently on the phone,if you are talking for BiS gear for PvP,it won't take you long because there are a lot of base game overland sets what are used plus crafted sets.
PvP meta changes very often, it's more a gold grind to always being able to max out your new gear.
The most grind is to level up you're character and collecting enough skill points to unlock skills and passives.

As talking about PvE,you can make solid builds only with the base game and a lot of overland sets you can buy from guild traders even when you don't own the dlc.
The only thing you can't get are dlc dungeon or trial gear if you don't have eso+ or own the dlcs.
Lady_Galadhiel Jul 6, 2021 @ 1:43pm 
And yes PvP is instanced, you have Battlegrounds where 3 teams of 4 players play against each other in different modes,then you have Imperial City where it's more a 1vX thing, mostly experienced PvPers go there.
And the you have Cyrodiil,the biggest alliance versus alliance zone in the game.
And as mentioned in my previous post, yes gears matter a lot, when you play in no CP ( champion points) campaign, all what matters are your skills and your gear.
DargonBlak Jul 6, 2021 @ 2:05pm 
I played for 6 months on the base game without subscription, and i had still only explored about 30% of the original map, about 10% of the group PvE content, and none of the PvP content (base game plus Morrowind).

I have been playing Elder Scrolls since ES3:Morrowind, so i wanted to explore ESO, and i took my time.

IMO, the game doesn't get really grindy until you worry about Best-in-Set (BiS) gear. For me, rarely run BiS gear since ZoS makes changes that affect BiS, and i hate having to go grind "the latest BiS". I run gear that will always work with my playstyle and interests, and i am very casual about gathering better gear (if it happens, it happens). BiS could net me 5-10% improvement, but it's really not noticeable in most casual content (most players are casual players).

New toons (aka "Alts") can be a bit grindy because once you move beyond level 50, it's a whole new ball game, and you tend to want to level new toons to level 50 rather quickly.

But, i never took a toon over level 50 in my first 6 months while i figured out whether i was actually going to like the game. And 5 years in - it's a pretty good game :-)
Sehkh Jul 6, 2021 @ 3:03pm 
your first character will be a little more harder to level up, theres a ton of xp boosters on daily rewards tho
Turtleswatter Jul 6, 2021 @ 3:31pm 
Just wondering, what do you plan to do?

BIS gear is really for the top 5% who meta their build and do some of the peak trials such as trifecta. How much time to you want to put in to this game to ensure you can do that sort of content?

For the rest of us there isn't a grind. You can do veteran and most arenas with overland gear or drops from non dlc dungeons provided your build is solid.

If you're into questing and storylines you don't have to consider anything at all.

Edit: Morrowind now comes with the base game. You can buy the current chapter with the old chapters in a bundle. I would advise wait for a sale. DLC is bought for crowns in the Crown Store. The other option is to subscribe to ESO+ and all DLC will be opened for you.
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Tazor Jul 6, 2021 @ 3:53pm 
Originally posted by Turtleswatter:
Just wondering, what do you plan to do?

BIS gear is really for the top 5% who meta their build and do some of the peak trials such as trifecta. How much time to you want to put in to this game to ensure you can do that sort of content?

For the rest of us there isn't a grind. You can do veteran and most arenas with overland gear or drops from non dlc dungeons provided your build is solid.

If you're into questing and storylines you don't have to consider anything at all.

Edit: Morrowind now comes with the base game. You can buy the current chapter with the old chapters in a bundle. I would advise wait for a sale. DLC is bought for crowns in the Crown Store. The other option is to subscribe to ESO+ and all DLC will be opened for you.
Raids and dungeons. Played lots of Guild Wars 2. Know all the end game content by heart. Yes, did lots of other content as well. BIS gear is quite easy to get in that. Alts are highly encouraged. The BIS META rarely changes.

From what I understand from this thread and what I read in the meantime, it seems that the focus of this MMO is solo content. Some decent PVP and dungeons/ raids as well. And you need either ESO+ or a ton of DLCS to get access to all the dungeons and raids.

A lot of effort seems to be put into the voice acting and storyline for the quests. I don't see much in terms of open world bosses or PVE events that span an entire zone.

I'm not sure this is what I am looking for. A skill based MMO where BIS gear is easy to get with decent dungeons and raids.
Rinky Jul 6, 2021 @ 5:10pm 
Originally posted by Tazor:
Originally posted by Turtleswatter:
Just wondering, what do you plan to do?

BIS gear is really for the top 5% who meta their build and do some of the peak trials such as trifecta. How much time to you want to put in to this game to ensure you can do that sort of content?

For the rest of us there isn't a grind. You can do veteran and most arenas with overland gear or drops from non dlc dungeons provided your build is solid.

If you're into questing and storylines you don't have to consider anything at all.

Edit: Morrowind now comes with the base game. You can buy the current chapter with the old chapters in a bundle. I would advise wait for a sale. DLC is bought for crowns in the Crown Store. The other option is to subscribe to ESO+ and all DLC will be opened for you.
Raids and dungeons. Played lots of Guild Wars 2. Know all the end game content by heart. Yes, did lots of other content as well. BIS gear is quite easy to get in that. Alts are highly encouraged. The BIS META rarely changes.

From what I understand from this thread and what I read in the meantime, it seems that the focus of this MMO is solo content. Some decent PVP and dungeons/ raids as well. And you need either ESO+ or a ton of DLCS to get access to all the dungeons and raids.

A lot of effort seems to be put into the voice acting and storyline for the quests. I don't see much in terms of open world bosses or PVE events that span an entire zone.

I'm not sure this is what I am looking for. A skill based MMO where BIS gear is easy to get with decent dungeons and raids.
you summed it up well. Apart from matchmade dungeons everything, including world bosses can be done solo.
PvP is either arenas or constant big faction war in Cyrodill
Turtleswatter Jul 6, 2021 @ 5:27pm 
Originally posted by Lt.Marty:
Originally posted by Tazor:
Raids and dungeons. Played lots of Guild Wars 2. Know all the end game content by heart. Yes, did lots of other content as well. BIS gear is quite easy to get in that. Alts are highly encouraged. The BIS META rarely changes.

From what I understand from this thread and what I read in the meantime, it seems that the focus of this MMO is solo content. Some decent PVP and dungeons/ raids as well. And you need either ESO+ or a ton of DLCS to get access to all the dungeons and raids.

A lot of effort seems to be put into the voice acting and storyline for the quests. I don't see much in terms of open world bosses or PVE events that span an entire zone.

I'm not sure this is what I am looking for. A skill based MMO where BIS gear is easy to get with decent dungeons and raids.
you summed it up well. Apart from matchmade dungeons everything, including world bosses can be done solo.
PvP is either arenas or constant big faction war in Cyrodill

Yeah. Probably people will disagree with me, but I would say that as you approach the level where you would be able to farm BIS gear it isn't too difficult but you're relying on RNG. You do hear some horror stories.

Also you are right in that the majority of the game is built around story, exploration and solo play. I believe that there are some really fun dungeons, raids and arenas at end game and around 5% of the ESO populatation (estimated based on no facts at all) build their ESO game around this, but how much time they spend and whether that is enough for you I don't know.
Metanoia Jul 6, 2021 @ 6:11pm 
Originally posted by Tazor:
For someone who buys just the base game. No crowns, no premium membership. On average how much time would I need to get ONE character full of best in slot gear?

The PVP. Is there any open world PVP? Instanced? Does gear matter in PVP or is it just cosmetic?

Where are the expansions? I clearly remember a Morrowind expansion. I don't see it on the store.

You can buy 95% of the available content in the game with ingame gold.

Almost any build is viable in PvE but PvP is a much different story and I'd suggest looking up a build guide or getting someone to explain the PVP meta to you.

As for "grindy", I don't think the game is that grindy at all, just take your time and enjoy the environment, don't need to be in a rush to unlock or accomplish anything because honestly (and heres my secret.) some of the best moneymakers in the game can be done at level 1.
Oku Jul 7, 2021 @ 1:58am 
Depends on what you want to do. Just run around and have fun with the RPG elements? Not at all. Do light raiding or PvP? You’ll need to get some good gear but other than that not a big deal. You looking to do top tier PvP and the heaviest difficulty raiding and kit yourself in best-in-slot gear and have all the abilities unlocked on your character in all trees so you can re-spec at will? It’s a HELL of a grind unless you’re just having fun doing lighter stuff and slowly, slowly working your way up to that point passively.
Robka Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:04am 
There isnt a lot of grinding to have a good gear, with a bit of an effort you can get the set(s) from Dungeons, or buy the sets from guild store but for a new player you might have problem having enough gold to buy them. PvP is a different story comparing to PvE, in PvE you will need to do as much of damage as possible as DD, doesnt matter much if youre tank or healer, just you will need to do your role. In PvP, as a team or solo you will need to be tanky and deal damage in the same time. I dont like PvP personally, but if you dont mind that PvP is totally not balanced, I am not here to judge
Halcyform Jul 7, 2021 @ 4:39am 
ESO has the typical RNG garbage that most games today have, but it's not as grindy as most mmos.

Your typical grinds are going to be tradeskill trait research and higher end mob drop/event gear sets. PvP is a grind also, but I avoid it. ESO pvp, like most mmo pvp, is garbo.

If you aren't planning on playing the game seriously with regards to trials or pvp, the grind is pretty minimal. Spend a little bit of time cobbling together some gold and you can pretty much bypass most of the gear grind by just buying or commissioning your gear.

Antiquities (basically WoW archaeology) has some grind to it, but it's not that bad (imo) compared to most mmos in general when it comes to crap like this.
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pepoma6inata Jul 7, 2021 @ 5:19am 
*trials(12 man dungeons) are part of chapters

*there is something like 20 - 30 - 4 man dungeons in base game and they had normal and veteran instance (if not even more, i've soloed around 20 and still have couple left or impossible to solo because of mechanics)...

*and there are dlc dungeons(eso+ or crowns)

*leveling toon to lvl50/cp160 takes between couple of hours to a month - gear level cap - you start farming gear - overland or crafted (if you are in guild or have gold to purchase from store)...gear doesn't become obsolete with new chapter/dlc release, still have toons with same gear for more than a year.

*farming dungeon for set usually takes between couple runs (with friend/guildies) to around 40 (solo) in worst case... (there are couple of weapons that people had run same dungeons more than 150 times - had them on less than 20 runs...) or in other words day or 2.

**there are some pretty good quests.

**gold is not insanely hard to grind.

**game can become overwhelming as too "much to do" to level fast and learn.


**as you spend time looking at comments probably won't be a problem to find more info here https://alcasthq.com/

**i don't have opinion about pvp in eso - i just rarely play it.

!!! so eso purchase is a mess...

*it has chapters -latest dlc + some additional content; (or when in bundle - summerset, elsweyr, greymoor and blackwood it is also dlc's + additional content - on sale goes around 20 - 40 euro (full bundle).)

*"year long adventure"/release:
-Q1 - dungeon dlc (eso+ or crowns)
-Q2 - cahapter (real money purchase)
-Q3 - dungeon dlc (eso+ or crowns)
-Q4 - story dlc (epilogue) (eso+ or crowns)

*there is "eso+ free trial" 2 - 3 times a year which is enough to be played dlc content.
Fabi Winterstar Jul 7, 2021 @ 10:18am 
If "best" gear means some very notable meta gear and it's for the first time, it will be a few months. Because in the beginning, when you make your first character you need to reach level 50, and after this champion level 160. Because when you farm for dungeon gear at a low level, you will outlevel your gear. And most other fellow players you meet in dungeons are likely to be at high level, so you couldn't wear what they would trade with you. Champion levels are accountwide, so on additional characters and with more game knowledge it will be much faster.

Getting familiar with the game, doing quests, obtaining skill points and just having fun in general will take a month at least. Once you get more familiar with your class and tried out a few random sets, you slowly get an idea what sets are suitable for you and which sets are kinda "filler sets" (unfortunately there are quite a few ingame sets that need rework). Over time, when you settled with two sets, you are likely to stumble upon a few more ones where you feel "wow this is even better", where you then might find yourself repeating farming or buying the parts from guild stores. Where the question is then, what is "best" for you? The meta that everyone follows, or a setup that you consider personally the best? In this game it can be still a mix between the two, and ultimately you need to a find combination that you like yourself.

This also applies to PvP, however PvP can be pretty brutal when you don't have the right setup for yourself yet. And PvP is partly heavily focused on gear wars and on-going metas (currently it's heavy armor + proc sets). So when you start the game, it's best when you feel like doing it for the PvE instead of PvP, because for proper PvP you need lots of preparation and familiarity with your class. With PvP in MMOs, frankly I have yet to see a game where preparation and knowledge isn't necessary. The PvP area Cyrodiil and the PvP game modes in Battlegrounds are available right away when you reach level 10, so you could take a sneak peek anyway when you feel up for it.

When you just like to get familiar with the game or try it out for little cost, I would recommend buying the base game only. It comes with the Morrowind expansion and the Warden class. Later on, when you find yourself still playing and ready for more content, you could buy a month of ESO+. Then you wouldn't need to worry about what DLC stuff you have access to and can farm gear from all the paid content that was introduced later. As DLC dungeons are typically vastly more difficult than base game dungeons, it's also wise to get familiar with the game and your class beforehand. Where the added bonus is that you then have an idea what sort of sets you like to look for, and get it all easily within a month.
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