Greed and Dyeing

[civilization]

Some of the ESO Plus required features seem ridiculous. I bought a costume. Then I went to dye it… And I'm pretty sure I'd have looked like some comic feigning shock, you know, eyes wide, jaw dropped, probably followed by an involuntary shaking of the head from side to side in disgust when I discovered that I can't dye it without a an ESO Plus membership. W T bleep?

[brenelael]

Does not dyeing your costume inhibit your game in any way? This is a very small part of all you get with ESO+. Servers and regular updates don't run on hopes and dreams they require a substantial amount of income. ESO+ subscribers pay for the majority of that so they have to give people some incentives to subscribe. Dyeing costumes is part of that. It's not greed it's called staying in business.

[civilization]

I paid for the costume. This seems redundant.

[brenelael]

引用自 civilization：

I paid for the costume. This seems redundant.

Did you not get the costume? I think you got exactly what you paid for.

[Vazkulator]

引用自 civilization：

Some of the ESO Plus required features seem ridiculous. I bought a costume. Then I went to dye it… And I'm pretty sure I'd have looked like some comic feigning shock, you know, eyes wide, jaw dropped, probably followed by an involuntary shaking of the head from side to side in disgust when I discovered that I can't dye it without a an ESO Plus membership. W T bleep?

youll figure out more and more as you progress into the games content, youll need to purchase every dlc+chapter in a general sense of being a dedicated raiding guild member due to many different reasons such as best in slot gears, different abilities from simple things such as psijic etc (more demanding of having eso+ depending on what type of player you are, wether you tend to switch from tanking into healing or even dps as well, youll just find a greater need than ever)

since you already pay for benefits, theyve already burnt the bridges to avoid being called out for p2w so there that.

the amount of limited bag space is ridicilous and the bank space is shared across all your toons, why you may ask ? to encourage people to pay monthly of course.

the game has so much content to be used under paywalls which should be strictly cosmetical but they still dont choose that direction so you cant say that theyre not being honest about their greed

[civilization]

I think there should be an exception for gear I've already paid once to acquire. Good will has some value and they lost some of mine today. I consider myself less likely to sign up for plus, not more, that's what they've achieved by devaluing my purchase.

[Requimatic]

引用自 Vazkulator：

引用自 civilization：

Some of the ESO Plus required features seem ridiculous. I bought a costume. Then I went to dye it… And I'm pretty sure I'd have looked like some comic feigning shock, you know, eyes wide, jaw dropped, probably followed by an involuntary shaking of the head from side to side in disgust when I discovered that I can't dye it without a an ESO Plus membership. W T bleep?

youll figure out more and more as you progress into the games content, youll need to purchase every dlc+chapter in a general sense of being a dedicated raiding guild member due to many different reasons such as best in slot gears, different abilities from simple things such as psijic etc (more demanding of having eso+ depending on wat type of player you are, wether you tend to switch from tanking into healing or even dps as well, youll just find a greater need than ever)

since you already pay for benefits, theyve already burnt the bridges to avoid being called out for p2w so there that.

the amount of limited bag space is ridicilous and the bank space is shared across all your toons, why you may ask ? to encourage people to pay monthly of course.

the game has so much content to be used under paywalls which should be strictly cosmetical but they still dont choose that direction so you cant say that theyre not being honest about their greed

Only a couple of the DLCs/expansions even have content worth participating in when it comes to "needing" equipment from it.

Orsinium == Maelstrom Arena, which the average player can't complete anyway due to the sheer difficulty.

Summerset == Cloudrest Trial, which contains some BiS equipment. (keyword: SOME)

The rest of the "best" stuff comes from crafting (Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze), overworld encounters in base game zones (Spriggan's, Briarheart, 7th Legion), PvP (Spell Strategist), and base game Trials found in Craglorn.

So, no, you're not held back much at all for not owning all of the DLCs. "p2w" does not apply to this game as you are not directly paying for benefits (such as buff potions that increase damage by 500% or something silly, or cosmetics with absurd stats) that give you an advantage over anyone.

Even if you own the DLC, you still have to earn the things you want from it.


Now on to inventory space:

1. Character inventories can be upgraded to 200 slots; 140 per character, and 60 from mount training. If you have trouble with inventory space and you have 150+ slots, this is a problem you need to address, and not a problem with the game.

2. Personal (shared, of course) bank inventory can be upgraded to 240 slots. Again, if you have trouble with this, there's a personal problem you need to deal with. Rather than hoarding items, you need to consider what you actually NEED (nothing beyond crafting mats until CP160 when you can collect gear sets) and what you don't need (everything else).

It costs gold to upgrade both, and gets expensive near the last upgrades, so you're going to have to learn how to make gold to fully upgrade them. It's honestly not hard.

Of course there's content behind pay walls; at the end of the day this is a business, and if it doesn't make money, the game shuts down. What do you expect, to be handed everything for free? That entitled mindset everyone seems to have about MMORPGs and their expansions, specifically with this game in particular, needs to go away and those who possess it need to just grow up.

EQ still requires you pay for their expansions. WoW requires you to pay for their expansions. I don't know about EQ, but WoW also still requires a monthly sub.. yet.. I don't hear people whining over there about having to pay for the expansion AND still pay $15/month to play the game.

But here? "wahhh wahh, I want it for FREEEEEEEEEEEE because the game is supposed to be FREEEEEEEEEEE" -- this is literally what you "p2w" people sound like to those of us who know what "p2w" ACTUALLY means.

Now, if you could literally pay Crowns for Veteran Trial equipment with the traits you wanted, then yes, "p2w" would apply as you paid for blatant benefits. Or if there were "better than Veteran Trial" versions of the same equipment for sale. "p2w" would apply there.

Now on to the costume thing..

引用自 civilization：

I think there should be an exception for gear I've already paid once to acquire. Good will has some value and they lost some of mine today. I consider myself less likely to sign up for plus, not more, that's what they've achieved by devaluing my purchase.

Did you know you couldn't dye costumes in the past? This was a feature added after costumes were even implemented, so with the addition of update 11, they made it possible for you to dye costumes. Normal gear that you already obtained was able to be dyed for a small gold cost, and now can even have its appearance changed to any other piece of equipment you have the style unlocked for.

But costumes? They went out of their way and retrofitted every costume with regions that are able to be dyed.. which all costumes afterwards follow the same formula for. Of course that's going to be a premium benefit, as it ramped up work for the art AND design AND coding team to make possible. (And continues to increase their workload with every new costume released for the same reasons.)

[Vazkulator]

引用自 Requimatic：

引用自 Vazkulator：

youll figure out more and more as you progress into the games content, youll need to purchase every dlc+chapter in a general sense of being a dedicated raiding guild member due to many different reasons such as best in slot gears, different abilities from simple things such as psijic etc (more demanding of having eso+ depending on wat type of player you are, wether you tend to switch from tanking into healing or even dps as well, youll just find a greater need than ever)

since you already pay for benefits, theyve already burnt the bridges to avoid being called out for p2w so there that.

the amount of limited bag space is ridicilous and the bank space is shared across all your toons, why you may ask ? to encourage people to pay monthly of course.

the game has so much content to be used under paywalls which should be strictly cosmetical but they still dont choose that direction so you cant say that theyre not being honest about their greed

Only a couple of the DLCs/expansions even have content worth participating in when it comes to "needing" equipment from it.

Orsinium == Maelstrom Arena, which the average player can't complete anyway due to the sheer difficulty.

Summerset == Cloudrest Trial, which contains some BiS equipment. (keyword: SOME)

The rest of the "best" stuff comes from crafting (Hunding's Rage, Night Mother's Gaze), overworld encounters in base game zones (Spriggan's, Briarheart, 7th Legion), PvP (Spell Strategist), and base game Trials found in Craglorn.

So, no, you're not held back much at all for not owning all of the DLCs. "p2w" does not apply to this game as you are not directly paying for benefits (such as buff potions that increase damage by 500% or something silly, or cosmetics with absurd stats) that give you an advantage over anyone.

Even if you own the DLC, you still have to earn the things you want from it.


Now on to inventory space:

1. Character inventories can be upgraded to 200 slots; 140 per character, and 60 from mount training. If you have trouble with inventory space and you have 150+ slots, this is a problem you need to address, and not a problem with the game.

2. Personal (shared, of course) bank inventory can be upgraded to 240 slots. Again, if you have trouble with this, there's a personal problem you need to deal with. Rather than hoarding items, you need to consider what you actually NEED (nothing beyond crafting mats until CP160 when you can collect gear sets) and what you don't need (everything else).

It costs gold to upgrade both, and gets expensive near the last upgrades, so you're going to have to learn how to make gold to fully upgrade them. It's honestly not hard.

Of course there's content behind pay walls; at the end of the day this is a business, and if it doesn't make money, the game shuts down. What do you expect, to be handed everything for free? That entitled mindset everyone seems to have about MMORPGs and their expansions, specifically with this game in particular, needs to go away and those who possess it need to just grow up.

EQ still requires you pay for their expansions. WoW requires you to pay for their expansions. I don't know about EQ, but WoW also still requires a monthly sub.. yet.. I don't hear people whining over there about having to pay for the expansion AND still pay $15/month to play the game.

But here? "wahhh wahh, I want it for FREEEEEEEEEEEE because the game is supposed to be FREEEEEEEEEEE" -- this is literally what you "p2w" people sound like to those of us who know what "p2w" ACTUALLY means.

Now, if you could literally pay Crowns for Veteran Trial equipment with the traits you wanted, then yes, "p2w" would apply as you paid for blatant benefits. Or if there were "better than Veteran Trial" versions of the same equipment for sale. "p2w" would apply there.

Now on to the costume thing..

引用自 civilization：

I think there should be an exception for gear I've already paid once to acquire. Good will has some value and they lost some of mine today. I consider myself less likely to sign up for plus, not more, that's what they've achieved by devaluing my purchase.

Did you know you couldn't dye costumes in the past? This was a feature added after costumes were even implemented, so with the addition of update 11, they made it possible for you to dye costumes. Normal gear that you already obtained was able to be dyed for a small gold cost, and now can even have its appearance changed to any other piece of equipment you have the style unlocked for.

But costumes? They went out of their way and retrofitted every costume with regions that are able to be dyed.. which all costumes afterwards follow the same formula for. Of course that's going to be a premium benefit, as it ramped up work for the art AND design AND coding team to make possible. (And continues to increase their workload with every new costume released for the same reasons.)

storage space isnt even immersive to begin with, cant craft bigger bags or craft those amazing new containers.. no of course not.. they have to be bought

oh and can you craft or achieve an unlockable such as the crafting bag? no of course not, you unlock it by paying

my point being exactly that this should be progression based content, not a paywall addition but what bothers me the most is that dlcs and chapters are two different things

im just going to ignore your rhetorical failure and ad hominem

[MightyJean]

引用自 Vazkulator：

craft those amazing new containers.. no of course not.. they have to be bought

Storage chests like a certain amount of things in the crown store like lycanthropy or vampirism are only in the crown store for convenience. You can still obtain those in game without spending a single cent.

Storage chests can be bought either with crowns, Tel Var stones (PvP in the Imperial City) or writ vouchers (master writs). And the third method is available to everyone, even those that don't spend a single cent in the game (after the initial purchase, obviously).
The first chest is totally free, since it's part of the leveling rewards.

[WooF]

I have 300 Transmutation cystals and a bnunch of dyes i cant use either but i just sell them

[Vazkulator]

引用自 MightyJean：

引用自 Vazkulator：

craft those amazing new containers.. no of course not.. they have to be bought

Storage chests like a certain amount of things in the crown store like lycanthropy or vampirism are only in the crown store for convenience. You can still obtain those in game without spending a single cent.

Storage chests can be bought either with crowns, Tel Var stones (PvP in the Imperial City) or writ vouchers (master writs). And the third method is available to everyone, even those that don't spend a single cent in the game (after the initial purchase, obviously).
The first chest is totally free, since it's part of the leveling rewards.

how does master writs work ?

[Redwood]

引用自 civilization：

I think there should be an exception for gear I've already paid once to acquire. Good will has some value and they lost some of mine today. I consider myself less likely to sign up for plus, not more, that's what they've achieved by devaluing my purchase.

Later there will be more successfull versions of the game.

[Soul2506]

引用自 brenelael：

Does not dyeing your costume inhibit your game in any way? This is a very small part of all you get with ESO+. Servers and regular updates don't run on hopes and dreams they require a substantial amount of income. ESO+ subscribers pay for the majority of that so they have to give people some incentives to subscribe. Dyeing costumes is part of that. It's not greed it's called staying in business.

you are saying as if game is free to play :D everyone bought the game for atleast 15 to 20$ and what about other games that are free to play like fortnite , tf2 and all?

[MightyJean]

引用自 Vazkulator：

how does master writs work ?

As the name implies you first need to master a crafting skill (meaning level it up to 50 and max the first passive of the skill line) and then you have a random chance to get a sealed master writ as a reward when turning in a normal writ.

You'll then need to use the sealed writ to get the corresponding quest asking to craft a specific item. The number of writ vouchers depends on the difficulty of the writ (and the crafting skill, enchanting, alchemy and provisioning have a lower max vouchers I think than the other skills).

An example for the blacksmithing skill would be craft a battle axe with rubedite, Hunding's Rage set, infused trait, epic quality, altmer style.

[Vazkulator]

引用自 MightyJean：

引用自 Vazkulator：

how does master writs work ?

As the name implies you first need to master a crafting skill (meaning level it up to 50 and max the first passive of the skill line) and then you have a random chance to get a sealed master writ as a reward when turning in a normal writ.

You'll then need to use the sealed writ to get the corresponding quest asking to craft a specific item. The number of writ vouchers depends on the difficulty of the writ (and the crafting skill, enchanting, alchemy and provisioning have a lower max vouchers I think than the other skills).

An example for the blacksmithing skill would be craft a battle axe with rubedite, Hunding's Rage set, infused trait, epic quality, altmer style.

ah, thanks :) hopefully ill be able reach 50 soon enough despite how slow it may seem to grind out the professions since im also trying to increase my champion points, it just really bothers me to see things like storage containers just exist because i either leveled up or had to open my wallet for crowns but at least theres a way

happy to see players acutally being informative and able to provide the information in detail here for once