ESO Plus, but I have to BUY Greymoor anyway???

[John Pileleaf]

I am an ESO Plus subscriber, and every time I try to travel to the new wayshrine, it tells me that the area is locked, and offers to let me upgrade.

If I select Upgrade, the Steam overlay appears, but displaying the Steam home page, not anything related to ESO.

Anything I do in Steam to try to install or enable the DLC, it wants me to pay, despite ESO+ and all the other expansions being installed and enabled.

When I go to the Zenimax site to try to open a ticket, it won't allow me to register. It does not recognize my email, despite having been registered on ESO since day one of the 1.0 release with the same email address. Other times it tells me I'm missing an "invitation code."

So I opened a ticket on Steam. I guess if you have a Steam account you can't get support from Zenimax except through Steam? I did not realize that or I would not have used Steam.

This is crazy. I have spent more on ESO than any video game in my life (although not as much as some players!). Now the whole internet is filled with spoilers from a place I can't even see, except on the map.

[PortzeRkk]

With eso+ you can only play DLCs, Greymoor is a chapter

[Ki11s0n3]

You only get the DLCs you have to pay for the Chapters which are essentially expansions.

[John Pileleaf]

When they sold me ESO+ they said I would get all DLC. So a Chapter is paid content for the game, which you download, but it is not downloadable content?

I still like Bethesda/Zenimax, and I'm not an Attack Lawyer type, but selling someone a subscription that includes all future DLC, and then not including some of the future DLC?

The truth is, I don't need the new content and won't for a long time due to my leisurely pace through the game. But it kind of leaves a sour taste.

[Dr. Sinister]

You didn't get Elswyr with it before this update and now you do because it became a "DLC" and no longer a chapter.

[Brownstone]

Dude let me explain it to you.

Every year, there is a new chapter. It has to be bought, you cannot access it with plus. But every year when a new chapter is released, the previous chapter becomes DLC. So now after the release of Greymoor, Elsweyr became a DLC which you can access now with plus. But you have to buy the Greymoor chapter no matter what. It will become a DLC next year when a new chapter is released.

"I have spent more on ESO than any video game in my life"

Then how do you not know about how this works, I thought you were a new player :D

[John Pileleaf]

Well since you asked, I bought two years of ESO upon release 6 years ago, super excited about it. That was back when it was monthly-only. I played the game and absolutely hated it. It was all MMO, not enough Elder Scrolls for me. I was hoping it would be different. I think I played 3 or 4 times.

Then I decided, a few months back, to give it another chance and bought the now-standalone-if-you-want game. I loved what it became - it was what I wanted back at the beginning - a much better single player/casual game, with the option to go as deep as I wanted when I had time/desire. So I reupped ESO+ and I'm hooked.

Part of my confusion with your answer is that I always had access to Elswyr, so it seemed I had everything. After reading Brownstone's post, I looked at my purchase history, and I when I re-bought the game, I got some kind of bundle that gave me that "Chapter." Hence my confusion.

Thanks for clearing it up - I did not grasp the staggered way that the chapters are released, probably because they really explain it poorly!

[chris23162]

Greymoor contains so little content is just a over priced dlc and this is from someone that pre ordered the collectors edition of greymoor. Its a rip off of reskins, lazy nostalgia bait and fetch quests get it when its on sale but don't pay more than £10 for it as its not worth a penny more.

[Dr. Sinister]

Originally posted by chris23162:

Greymoor contains so little content is just a over priced dlc and this is from someone that pre ordered the collectors edition of greymoor. Its a rip off of reskins, lazy nostalgia bait and fetch quests get it when its on sale but don't pay more than £10 for it as its not worth a penny more.

You sound like an angry little fella. Come, sit down and tell everyone why you are so triggered and angry

[chris23162]

Originally posted by Dr. Sinister:

Originally posted by chris23162:

Greymoor contains so little content is just a over priced dlc and this is from someone that pre ordered the collectors edition of greymoor. Its a rip off of reskins, lazy nostalgia bait and fetch quests get it when its on sale but don't pay more than £10 for it as its not worth a penny more.

You sound like an angry little fella. Come, sit down and tell everyone why you are so triggered and angry

When your looking forward to something and it turns out to be garbage its annoying, vampire is now useless for magika users meaning they have no morph to use no and its made my nught blade basically immortal and given her unlimited cloak, unlimited sprint stamina and i can insta kill anyone in pvp.

They screwed up the release and the release itself contains little actual new content and further increases the already large gap in power between stamina and magika, balancing is a joke. They did a proper Todd Howard on this one and gave it the full failout 76 treatment and they even brought out alliance change tokens something people said they never would as it would lead to everyone just switching to the faction that wins the most. Its becoming a cheap cash grab of a game which is a shame as it could have been something great.

[Vyrtualis]

Originally posted by chris23162:

Greymoor contains so little content is just a over priced dlc and this is from someone that pre ordered the collectors edition of greymoor. Its a rip off of reskins, lazy nostalgia bait and fetch quests get it when its on sale but don't pay more than £10 for it as its not worth a penny more.

You're not wrong. The quality and quantity of new zones has been getting smaller for a while now. I don't think its intentional though. ZOS works really hard on new content, but they're under a lot of pressure to provide these quarterly updates, one of them being the chapter. That's a lot of work under such a short deadline. It was only a matter of time.

As for the value though, that's harder to say. If you play for overland content, that's the biggest value. If you're an old fart from beta like me and play only vet, the single trial is a much harder sell.

Overall though, the B2P model is still better off. If you're used to bigger P2P MMOs with a monthly sub, you can technically save money buying chapters and DLC, and not getting ESO+.