help need a dual wield build

[Stevie Wonder]

i wana make a dark elf nightblade
but i want it to be magica..

or i want a sorc class but to dual weild?

Basically i want a spell blade type class

i want badass elemental spells but also want to but all assassin like, and sneak, and camo etc etc.

so confused on what to actually go for.......
i do not want to use staves, i only want to use dual wield/bow as a sub.

help

[Requimatic]

Look up Alcast's Stamina Sorcerer build; I think it's what you're looking for.

Uses a combination of Sorc class skills and Dual Wield/Bow skills.

[Soul2506]

Try xynodegaming his are the best especially the way he explains!!

[Brownstone]

The only way you're gonna make that build is being a Pvp Stamina Nightblade. Stamina Nightblades use Magicka skills like cloak and mark target. But these skills are only useful for pvp. There is no reason to go invisible in pve, it's just damage dealing.

Your damage scales with your max magicka and max stamina so if you go full magicka build, your physical weapons and stamina skills won't deal useful damage. If you go full stamina, your magicka spells will be useless. If you invest in both, your overall damage will be weak.

You have to pick, magicka or stamina. You can pick one and still use the other one but that "spellcasting assassin" only happens in pvp.

The closest you can have in pvp is a fully stamina focused sorcerer. Most stamina morphs of magicka skill still feel like magicka spells for sorcerer.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

The only way you're gonna make that build is being a Pvp Stamina Nightblade. Stamina Nightblades use Magicka skills like cloak and mark target. But these skills are only useful for pvp. There is no reason to go invisible in pve, it's just damage dealing.

Your damage scales with your max magicka and max stamina so if you go full magicka build, your physical weapons and stamina skills won't deal useful damage. If you go full stamina, your magicka spells will be useless. If you invest in both, your overall damage will be weak.

You have to pick, magicka or stamina. You can pick one and still use the other one but that "spellcasting assassin" only happens in pvp.

The closest you can have in pvp is a fully stamina focused sorcerer. Most stamina morphs of magicka skill still feel like magicka spells for sorcerer.

That's not what he wants, he wants elemental spells with dual wield + bow, not a stamina char with some magicka buffs. That's not happening. Dual wield + bow is stamina. Elemental damage is pure magicka. You can't mix both.

The game is pretty much resource oriented. If you want to use elemental damage you need a staff and spec in magicka. If you want to use dual wield and bow you need to spec in physical damage and so in stamina.

You can do a stamina or magicka build with any class, but you can't mix both. Either you go staff/magicka/elemental or you go weapon/physical/stamina. There is no way around it, unless you don't mind not doing any damage.

[Stevie Wonder]

Originally posted by Sajah:

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

The only way you're gonna make that build is being a Pvp Stamina Nightblade. Stamina Nightblades use Magicka skills like cloak and mark target. But these skills are only useful for pvp. There is no reason to go invisible in pve, it's just damage dealing.

Your damage scales with your max magicka and max stamina so if you go full magicka build, your physical weapons and stamina skills won't deal useful damage. If you go full stamina, your magicka spells will be useless. If you invest in both, your overall damage will be weak.

You have to pick, magicka or stamina. You can pick one and still use the other one but that "spellcasting assassin" only happens in pvp.

The closest you can have in pvp is a fully stamina focused sorcerer. Most stamina morphs of magicka skill still feel like magicka spells for sorcerer.

That's not what he wants, he wants elemental spells with dual wield + bow, not a stamina char with some magicka buffs. That's not happening. Dual wield + bow is stamina. Elemental damage is pure magicka. You can't mix both.

The game is pretty much resource oriented. If you want to use elemental damage you need a staff and spec in magicka. If you want to use dual wield and bow you need to spec in physical damage and so in stamina.

You can do a stamina or magicka build with any class, but you can't mix both. Either you go staff/magicka/elemental or you go weapon/physical/stamina. There is no way around it, unless you don't mind not doing any damage.

Im confused then, why do i get options to morph all of my skills into either ones that use stamina or ones that use magica as a nightblade?

If it is as you say, nightblade is only stamina / dual wield and bow is only stamina, then i shouldnt be getting magica skill options then? but i do get them as skill morphs

[H0rr0rA]

Overall, I enjoy most my Redguard stam sorc then my Kajiit Stam Nightblade, both using Dual&Bow. You still can use daedric summoning as 'elemental', but you'll still be using a lot of fighting abilities in your build, the same goes for nightblade without any elemental aspect to their deck so....

[Drake]

Originally posted by Stevie Wonder:

Originally posted by Sajah:

That's not what he wants, he wants elemental spells with dual wield + bow, not a stamina char with some magicka buffs. That's not happening. Dual wield + bow is stamina. Elemental damage is pure magicka. You can't mix both.

The game is pretty much resource oriented. If you want to use elemental damage you need a staff and spec in magicka. If you want to use dual wield and bow you need to spec in physical damage and so in stamina.

You can do a stamina or magicka build with any class, but you can't mix both. Either you go staff/magicka/elemental or you go weapon/physical/stamina. There is no way around it, unless you don't mind not doing any damage.

Im confused then, why do i get options to morph all of my skills into either ones that use stamina or ones that use magica as a nightblade?

If it is as you say, nightblade is only stamina / dual wield and bow is only stamina, then i shouldnt be getting magica skill options then? but i do get them as skill morphs

I think you got confused.

Nightblade, like any other class isn't anything. You can make a stamina dps, magicka dps, healer or tank with any class.

It's all about your equipment. If you want to be a nightblade mage, you pick a staff, light armor and use magicka morphs. If you want to be a stamina nightblade you pick bows and daggers, medium armor and use the stamina morph of your skills.
Also, even for stamina builds, there are some buffs (for stamina) that cost magicka (so that you don't only spend stamina, mages also have this, they use stamina to block and dodge). The important thing is that your direct damage abilities use the correct pooldependign on your build, becasue that's what matters.

[Brownstone]

No it's not that complicated.

Classes are not restricted to stamina or magicka.
You can play Nightblade as Stamina or Magicka.

Weapons are restricted.
Magicka build: Staff. Stamina build: Bow, Dual Wield, Two Handed.

[Stevie Wonder]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

No it's not that complicated.

Classes are not restricted to stamina or magicka.
You can play Nightblade as Stamina or Magicka.

Weapons are restricted.
Magicka build: Staff. Stamina build: Bow, Dual Wield, Two Handed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICIeqjk9RAk

This youtube video here, shows this guy as a NightBlade magica build wiht Dual Wielding two swords that are magica stats and buff stats to magica.....

So now im even more confused since your statment then is contradictory to whats shown in that video

shown at about the 2:00 min mark
If Dual Wielding is restricted to Stamina build...then why are all the stats for those dual wield weapons all magica stats?

[Stevie Wonder]

i Also found this article, not sure when its from, but can someone comment on it

http://esoacademy.com/faq/why-do-some-magicka-characters-use-dual-wield/

Say i dual wield magicka NB, and i dont care at all about the weapon skills, and only want to focus on using the NB class skills, this would then be the way to go correct?

[Brownstone]

This video is outdated.

Back then some Magicka builds used to slot swords on their front bar to take advantage of this passive:
https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twin+Blade+and+Blunt
So they could increase their total damage done by 5%.

If you pay attention that the build has zero Dual Wield skill slotted. Because Dual Wield skills are Stamina skills so they're useless on a Magicka build.

The meta changed later with updates and staves became more useful.
Mages no longer slot swords for bonus damage.

[Drake]

Okay, you're talking about the dual wield passive bonus with swords (which is the same for the two handed sword passive). Yes it works for magicka skills, it's essentially a stat stick, you're using class skills while wielding swords. First it works only with swords (you can forget the bow) and it only works with the blade and blunt passive (so you need to level the dual wield line).

Then, while it worked for a time, now you get way more dps and utility for magicka while equiping a fire staff. There is no benefit to using swords anymore. It would be actually better to use a sword and a shield (if you want a melee weapon) and pick the defence passives, you'll get better block and the absorb magic skill to counter spells.

[Brownstone]

Originally posted by Stevie Wonder:

i Also found this article, not sure when its from, but can someone comment on it

http://esoacademy.com/faq/why-do-some-magicka-characters-use-dual-wield/

Say i dual wield magicka NB, and i dont care at all about the weapon skills, and only want to focus on using the NB class skills, this would then be the way to go correct?

However, yes, this type of build can still be valid, actually Swords received a small buff in today's update. (Increased the damage bonus from %2.5 to %3)

But if you ask me I don't really recommend it. Main reason being:

Damage dealing in this game is best done using light attacks between every skill cast. Because light attacking all the time while dealing damage increases your total damage like at least 25%. And sword light attacks will deal very low damage on a Magicka build.

However you can always change your build in the future so go for it. It's not like you can't equip a staff if you feel like you don't deal enough damage :D

[Stevie Wonder]

Originally posted by Mr. Brownstone:

Damage dealing in this game requires using light attacks between every skill cast. Because light attacking all the time while dealing damage increases your total damage like at least 25%. And sword light attacks will deal very low damage on a Magicka build.

Why would i not still use light attack/attack with the melee weapon?

i dont understand this.

The melee weapons damage isnt based on stamina or magicka is it?

in that video above, the guys weapon said something like 1100 damage and 6000 shock damage or something.

now i just quickly saw this https://youtu.be/MWJX26djd0c?t=1698
Skip to 28:00

and his melee weapon on his stamina build is pretty much exactly the same stats...but in stead of shock damage its poison...

So, why would i not use the same weapon a stamina user is using to attack with as a magicka user?

i would still attack with that melee weapon. just for my build i wouldnt be using any of the melee weapon skills

[Stevie Wonder]

SO i just read that weapon damage is NOT affected by stamina.

So then i dont understand what you just said then about how i wouldnt be attacking with the melee weapon as a magicka NB?

i would still be using it