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watch that video, it helped me back in the days
theres a trick to it, you need to pick up the orbs.
The way they are so vague with quests and what quests belong together for one large aim or what are just little filler quests, they show no difference and the long wait every time for it to load and the long history they get into when they talk....... I think it was just getting too frustrating. But thanks a lot for your help
Have you done the Everful Flaggon? I loved that quest and its in the same area. Good luck!