5 straight days of fail veteran dungeons

[Gotsa]

/healer rant

just hit cp 160, and now i realize that anyone who randomly queues solo for vet dungeons is wrong. too often i have a tank without a shield or a taunt, and is paper thin.

or my dps literally can not switch to the adds, nor burn the boss. (both sub 8k, even aoe)((or should i say not AoEing or using abilities sparsely if at all)) ((i dont mind healing through it, or taking 20mins a boss fight, but i cant tolerate stupid / unaware)

so im like, what did i do wrong? not hand pick both the tank and the dps to queue up with? am i suposed to join a guild to "randomly" queue?

i just want my daily dungeon to be in vet, i do 1 a day and now im THIS close to just going back to normal because for the 5th day in a row, the time i allot to do 1 dungeon has been horrendous.

i should not be spamming shield and breath of life just to keep the tank up every mob of enemies.
i should not have aggro just healing.
i should not have to worry about the dps standing in fire at this level of play. do people honestly expect to get carried when in vet 2 dungeons and be this bad at the game to the point where they struggle to manage their mana bar?

the dps are literally standing in the big red circle, dieing, and THEN THE VOTE TO KICK FAILS.

/quit dungeon. thats right, im the scum bag.

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edit - i polled reddit, the consensus was that healers are obsolete to begin with, doesn't matter what you slot, even for hard man DLC 300+ veteran dungeons. all you need is a good tank and 2 competent dps. the flex spot can be a buffer or you guessed it, a third dps. the "hp regen" position does not exist in ESO.

even in VMA the supposed hardest one of them all, players said that you need high dps only and self sufficiency. its best to bring an awesome tank, NO healer. and everyone makeshifts durability and damage.

this leads to the conclusion that if you select healer, and the group is failing, you either dont have a tank at all, or all of the damage pieces are missing, because 1 dps and 1 healer can be absent and still clear all of veteran mode.

so judging by my FAILURE of veteran dungeons. i can safely say, i have some fudgin liars in the room about their roles.

[Trigger]

never pug vet

[:bestgamerchina#1最好的中國]

Lol and my problem as tank are sometimes lazy healers and garbage dpses.

[Danny Archer]

I dont know what gear you wearing, your rotation, skills slotted.

Mind you that healer is the most important role in a vet dungeon, sure good tanks can stand there ground for a bit without healer, but wont last long.

dps however rely on healer to stay alive, dps standing in red depends on the situations

standing in red, alot of times is ignored in vet dungeons, sure city of ash 2 , u dont want to stand in red, but in mob fights, healer is healing people in red, faster dps with all mob together.

I pug vet dungeons all the time, if the healer arent good enough , I die alot, or I spam vigor. overall I got alot of vet dungeons done with pugs, no problem.

Healer is hard to master, if you find yourself running out of resources really quick, and people keep dying, maybe its your healing abilities that needs improvement.

just incase if you arent aware, a healer always puts 2 -3 aoe heals down first before any fight, during the fight will keep reapply them. if you only start to heal people when you see there health is low , then, you need to improve your skills rotation.

[Ignis of Vinheim]

agree with the previous commentator.

so, before complaining about pugs, remember that decent healer at vet dungeons should:

-apply major breach & minor magicka steal with elemental drain
-apply minor berserk with combat prayer
-use energy orbs for they synergy as lot as possible
-apply major force with horn
-apply major courage with spc or olorime sets
-use worm(better sustain for mages) or mending(de-buff on enemies) or jorvuld(longer buff for allies) as the second set
-has decent hps, but it's nearly not enough

maybe just you are as good as heal as they are as dps&tanks))))

[Gotsa]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Illuminatus:

I dont know what gear you wearing, your rotation, skills slotted.

Mind you that healer is the most important role in a vet dungeon, sure good tanks can stand there ground for a bit without healer, but wont last long.

dps however rely on healer to stay alive, dps standing in red depends on the situations

standing in red, alot of times is ignored in vet dungeons, sure city of ash 2 , u dont want to stand in red, but in mob fights, healer is healing people in red, faster dps with all mob together.

I pug vet dungeons all the time, if the healer arent good enough , I die alot, or I spam vigor. overall I got alot of vet dungeons done with pugs, no problem.

Healer is hard to master, if you find yourself running out of resources really quick, and people keep dying, maybe its your healing abilities that needs improvement.

just incase if you arent aware, a healer always puts 2 -3 aoe heals down first before any fight, during the fight will keep reapply them. if you only start to heal people when you see there health is low , then, you need to improve your skills rotation.

just so were clear, im supposed to be spamming breath of life constantly because everyone including the tank is getting chunked. on trash. i dont have DLC only abilities. not all of us pay heavily in.

and one DPS are SUPPOSED to be on the otherside of the room during the poison phase

if DPS are sub 10k am i at fault for adds overrunning us?

its my fault that the dps get 1hko and the other dps refuses to stop hitting the single target boss to rez him? im supposed to rez him and stop healing the tank or myself?

no, im a veteran MMO player, i know exactly how to heal and these DPS and tanks are literal PoS.

i have epic level 5piece vanus with mundus, it was cheap on the AH so i went with it. along with 3 piece overwhelming, and then 2 piece heavy for extra health. accessories are +mag +mag regen.

i have 30k magika and 24k health. all points were slotted for magika

my healer bar is breath of life, 2 resto staff HoT's, the 10% stat booster ability, and finally shield.

destro staff is on the other bar. with spear, the templar rain + dot AoE, destro staff AoE, the single target half damage triple damage beam. and lastly breath of life again for "who dropped"

dps are getting 1 shot by boss AoE or doing something stupid like focusing the netch when it has its shield up and ignoring the adds.

or on the spider tank final boss where its in poison phase and the dps runs away from me while im channeling ult to heal through it and dies alone, like an ape.

theres no cure for idiocy.

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my rotation is to heavy at start to proc vanus, throw down hots, throw up shield, swap over to dps bar use 2 or 3 damage abilities. swap back to healer, and then repeat as needed.

and for the dumbest reasons, the tank doesn't have aggro. everyone is getting hit, the dps are using no AoE abilities every mob of trash, fine, i heal through it no problem because i have magika regen and can manage my mana pool properly to be able to spam breath of life on these weaklings, because im not leaving hots to get a dps back up or trust him to use a potion.

but now were on a boss that they cant handle the core mechanic and we wipe 3x because they got instagibbed by a mechanic or just dont have the raw dps to down ads. again, sub 10k.

[Danny Archer]

well in this case, I guess you just unlucky, I pug all the time, I have 3 toons.

then again, because healer and tanks queue time is quick, it is likely you will pug with all sort of people.

I pug as dps, dps wait for ages, by the time its my turn, most of the time, its all high level vet players=no problems.

I do vet pug's in one night on all 3 and finish it, its the norm.

healer is in demand, try and say in the zone chat, healer lf a good group for vet dungeons, it might work out better

[Gotsa]

my issue is that im running into tanks that dont have heavy gear equipped, or any form of grouping ability or even a taunt.

and dps who are barely aware of anything and im watching them on my screen, right in front of my face, and they're in melee range auto attacking. THATS IT. not using abilities.

it baffles me that these players are CP 280~400. in a veteran dungeon.

[Danny Archer]

well sometimes the fisherman and dragonborn questers wanna try for vet dungeons, "it just works"

[Nikolaj "Kolja" Degtjarjow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

no, im a veteran MMO player, i know exactly how to heal and these DPS and tanks are literal PoS.

You just hit cp 160, come down from your high ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horse.

Also, it sound like you have been doing Darkshade II, where the endboss HEAVILY relies on the healer. You dont dps adds unless in a specific phase, so your arguement is meh. Posion needs to be healed through or avoided by activating levers. If you cant heal it, activate the damn levers.

Edit: Fun Fact -> A healer having aggro is normal, as tanks ONLY taunt "important" mobs.

[Gotsa]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Nikolaj Degtjarjow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

no, im a veteran MMO player, i know exactly how to heal and these DPS and tanks are literal PoS.

You just hit cp 160, come down from your high ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horse.

Also, it sound like you have been doing Darkshade II, where the endboss HEAVILY relies on the healer. You dont dps adds unless in a specific phase, so your arguement is meh. Posion needs to be healed through or avoided by activating levers. If you cant heal it, activate the damn levers.

Edit: Fun Fact -> A healer having aggro is normal, as tanks ONLY taunt "important" mobs.

just so were clear, the dps are supposed to have less than 10k and the tank is supposed to be recieveing breath of life constantly every mob of enemies just to survive.

this is correct? this is normal and expected of the veteran team? the average dungeon healer is supposed to be using breath of life to heal a tank that gets 3 shot?

reply with a yes or a no only.

where if i am NOT using breath of life off global cooldown, or shield, as consecutive abilities, the tank will fall to trash damage.

[Nikolaj "Kolja" Degtjarjow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

just so were clear, the dps are supposed to have less than 10k and the tank is supposed to be recieveing breath of life constantly every mob of enemies just to survive.

this is correct? this is normal and expected of the veteran team? the average dungeon healer is supposed to be using breath of life to heal a tank that gets 3 shot?

reply with a yes or a no only.

As i just told you, you are a not a veteran healer, you just hit cp 160. Then, how do you see the DPS your teammates do? :) I can't, i can only see group dps.
If you spamm healing springs (best heal ingame) there is not need to spamm breath of life.
Which means you won't run out of mana.
You hp (24k) are way too high. 16-17k on a healer is the maximum you should have.
Which shows again, that you are not a veteran healer.
Get someone to mentor you, and stop running random vet dungeons. You don't even know mechanics, and noone wants to have a newbie healer with him.

Oh, and food for thought: The only thing that was always present in all the "♥♥♥♥" groups.... was you , the healer. Think about it.

[MrVeee]

Speaking as a VET Tank. I will only taunt the stuff that will really cause issues for the team. If there is a silly little add that is harassing you then you need to deal with that. Or the DD's need to. I will chain adds in if I can but it is by no means my no 1 priority. It is your job as healer to keep the team alive and to ensure that the tank can actually do his job my supplying stamina (Shards & Orbs).

[Gotsa]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Nikolaj Degtjarjow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

just so were clear, the dps are supposed to have less than 10k and the tank is supposed to be recieveing breath of life constantly every mob of enemies just to survive.

this is correct? this is normal and expected of the veteran team? the average dungeon healer is supposed to be using breath of life to heal a tank that gets 3 shot?

reply with a yes or a no only.

As i just told you, you are a not a veteran healer, you just hit cp 160. Then, how do you see the DPS your teammates do? :) I can't, i can only see group dps.
If you spamm healing springs (best heal ingame) there is not need to spamm breath of life.
Which means you won't run out of mana.
You hp (24k) are way too high. 16-17k on a healer is the maximum you should have.
Which shows again, that you are not a veteran healer.
Get someone to mentor you, and stop running random vet dungeons. You don't even know mechanics, and noone wants to have a newbie healer with him.

Oh, and food for thought: The only thing that was always present in all the "♥♥♥♥" groups.... was you , the healer. Think about it.

thank you for confirming my susps that the dps are wearing their pants on their heads and that the tank misqueued. that was my fault as the proper healer, i should just buck up and cover for all of their mistakes. the dps for queueing into the wrong mode and the tank for being a filthy dps who wants to queue faster.

cant heal a one shot. cant make the dps move out of the fire, and i cant make the tank equip heavy gear.

[Nikolaj "Kolja" Degtjarjow]

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

thank you for confirming my susps that the dps are wearing their pants on their heads and that the tank misqueued. that was my fault as the proper healer, i should just buck up and cover for all of their mistakes. the dps for queueing into the wrong mode and the tank for being a filthy dps who wants to queue faster.

The only thing that this thread confirmed is that you are an unexperienced healer who is running vet dungeons and is unable to reflect on himself and always blames his team. We weren't there, we don't now what exactly happened, but most of the things you told us about yourself show that you are not yet experienced enough to call yourself a veteran healer in ESO.

[Gotsa]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Nikolaj Degtjarjow:

Oprindeligt skrevet af kyle1234513:

thank you for confirming my susps that the dps are wearing their pants on their heads and that the tank misqueued. that was my fault as the proper healer, i should just buck up and cover for all of their mistakes. the dps for queueing into the wrong mode and the tank for being a filthy dps who wants to queue faster.

The only thing that this thread confirmed is that you are an unexperienced healer who is running vet dungeons and is unable to reflect on himself and always blames his team. We weren't there, we don't now what exactly happened, but most of the things you told us about yourself show that you are not yet experienced enough to call yourself a veteran healer in ESO.

let me guess, youre the 750 dps who queues as tank expecting to burn everything down fast enough to not have to tank at all.