Playing the game without the Craft Bag

[N1ck0]

Okay so I bought the game knowing about the Craft Bag issue more or less. With no intention of being an ESO+ sub. Just told myself I won't craft, no big deal. But now that I started playing, I realize ~80% of the loot is crafting materials.

Now the first thing I think is, there you go, there's the freaking scam. Now, I'm not here to debate if this thing is a scam or not, or if ESO+ is worth it or not. I just want to know plain and simple if I've been ripped off by buying this game with 0 intention of subbing ever.

Also, if not, how do I approach this situation? I more or less care about crafting in most MMOs because, it's not freaking 80% of the loot. If this is so in this game, is crafting an integrale part of the game? It certainly seems so.

Should I just uninstall this game and leave it behind me? Or should I still play it? If I still play it, how do I approach it? Do I discard ~80% of the loot? Because evidently, crafting materials are worth 0 gold to merchants. So I can't event loot it to sell it. Which is part of the scam I guess.

I'm not even LVL 10 right now so, do things change later on? Meaning, do crafting mats still stay around ~80% of the loot? And does it keep being worthless to merchants, thus only serving as clutter for an non-subscriber?

With only 60 inventory space, no way am I gonna try to micro-manage the inventory with crafting mats. To put it where later on anyway? For now I just delete all mats from the inventory, which gave me 50% of my inventory space back.

[Wolfstorm]

Im not a subscriber, and I play without this craft bag. All my characters do writs (even the thief, because thievery in this game is too bad, and there are very few places for stealing), and so far I increased bank size to 200 slots. Even with that, theres a lack of inventory space, which forces me to put some items in only one character, instead of the bank. My characters take turn in staying stationary, and usually only one or two go on questing at the same period, while the others only do writs, holding items that cant be put in the bank. This forces me to log in and out of characters constantly, for inventory management, but I can live with it.

[Trigger]

delete low level mats, as you won't be needing them down the road-unless you are making armor/weapons for low level players. There are Chests for sale in game for homes= 4 X 60 slots and 3 X 30 slots and also earn a 30 slot chest as leveling up reward.

[Wolfstorm]

Dont delete, sell them. Merchants give a good price for them. Im always getting iron and maple shipments for doing writs, I just dump them in the market.

[N1ck0]

You guys are awesome. Thanks for all the information.

[elhran]

I've been a subscriber for about a year and a half now. For my play style, it has been wonderful at saving me time, keystrokes, inventory manipulation, and just making my experience more fun and easier. That's for MY play style and MY time. It's not at all necessary or even desirable by everyone. I tried it, I like it, and I will continue with it while I play. I'm retired, and spend a "few"
hours a week playing, so I choose to spend the money and for me it is no "scam". I normally don't get too involved with crafting in most mmo's I play, but I have dabbled a bit in ESO. Not advocating, denouncing, or agruing anything. Just my 2 cents worth and my choice. Everyone should do what works for them.

[Ficelle]

I would say craftbag is mostly a super time saver

Without it, i guesstimate you are losing 25+% of your playtime to inventory management / loot selection / muling / come back to town more often / wasted gold as you let loot on floor...

Out of 100 hours, that is 25+ hours lost to non enjoyable at all activities...

If you play a few hours a month, fine...
But if you play 100+ hours a month, this is an absurd amount lost to doing chore crap


I value having good play time much more than 13 euros / month, but this is me
Some prefer to save some euros and waste their hours to chore


Still, be sure it is done this way on purpose ;D

[N1ck0]

elhran님이 먼저 게시:

I've been a subscriber for about a year and a half now. For my play style, it has been wonderful at saving me time, keystrokes, inventory manipulation, and just making my experience more fun and easier. That's for MY play style and MY time. It's not at all necessary or even desirable by everyone. I tried it, I like it, and I will continue with it while I play. I'm retired, and spend a "few"
hours a week playing, so I choose to spend the money and for me it is no "scam". I normally don't get too involved with crafting in most mmo's I play, but I have dabbled a bit in ESO. Not advocating, denouncing, or agruing anything. Just my 2 cents worth and my choice. Everyone should do what works for them.

Well, I've played quite a few MMOs, and I've never seen 70-80% of the loot being crafting materials. And with the crafting bag being the central point of being a sub, I doubt this is by accident. The core design of the game seems to be centered around it to try to force players to sub. I think this is pretty scummy from their part.

But hey, I'm not here to debate that. I'll try to make the best out of the advices people had the kindness to give me here. But in all honesty, I would have prefered if someone told me I could go on without crafting and just discard the crafting items, or sell them later on if they have a gold value to merchants.

I wasn't interested in crafting in the first place, thus why I went with the logic of not worrying about the crafting bag being a sub-only thing. Clearly, I was wrong.

[N1ck0]

Ficelle님이 먼저 게시:

I would say craftbag is mostly a super time saver

Without it, i guesstimate you are losing 25+% of your playtime to inventory management / loot selection / muling / come back to town more often / wasted gold as you let loot on floor...

Out of 100 hours, that is 25+ hours lost to non enjoyable at all activities...

If you play a few hours a month, fine...
But if you play 100+ hours a month, this is an absurd amount lost to doing chore crap


I value having good play time much more than 13 euros / month, but this is me
Some prefer to save some euros and waste their hours to chore


Still, be sure it is done this way on purpose ;D

In all honesty, each minutes I spend crafting in most games is a lost of my time, unless it's really quick and easy. Like what you get in a typical single player RPG for example. So any exhaustive crafting is a lost of time for me, and I disregard it if I can.

Clearly, ESO wasn't designed with this possibility in mind, like most MMOs, even F2P ones. It being even more of a chore without the bag you have to pay for is just the icing on the cake for me.

For now this game is a skip for me. But if I find the time and patience to dive into it, the information people gave me here will be useful that's for sure, so I'm thankful for that.

[Mreisse]

NickEclipse님이 먼저 게시:

But in all honesty, I would have prefered if someone told me I could go on without crafting and just discard the crafting items, or sell them later on if they have a gold value to merchants.

I wasn't interested in crafting in the first place, thus why I went with the logic of not worrying about the crafting bag being a sub-only thing. Clearly, I was wrong.

Actually with that caveat, your actually not wrong. You can get by without crafting but:

-easiest money for time invested is daily crafting writs, so you lose that

-without crafting, all your best gear will have to be looted (unreliable), bought from guild traders (expensive), or commissioned from your guildies who are master crafters

-if you find the perfect piece with the wrong trait, you can't transmute it yourself (gold or guild to the rescue!)

I'm sure there are other things (tri-stat potions, furniture etc) but all of that can be circumvented with gold.

If you don't mind the expense of outfitting with gold, then by all means skip crafting. Many mats are worth a LOT. Join a largish guild with a trader and you'll make bank with all the useless flowers you pick up. Supplement with stealing and there's no reason you can't get reasonably wealthy without too much trouble.

[N1ck0]

Mreisse님이 먼저 게시:

NickEclipse님이 먼저 게시:

But in all honesty, I would have prefered if someone told me I could go on without crafting and just discard the crafting items, or sell them later on if they have a gold value to merchants.

I wasn't interested in crafting in the first place, thus why I went with the logic of not worrying about the crafting bag being a sub-only thing. Clearly, I was wrong.

Actually with that caveat, your actually not wrong. You can get by without crafting but:

-easiest money for time invested is daily crafting writs, so you lose that

-without crafting, all your best gear will have to be looted (unreliable), bought from guild traders (expensive), or commissioned from your guildies who are master crafters

-if you find the perfect piece with the wrong trait, you can't transmute it yourself (gold or guild to the rescue!)

I'm sure there are other things (tri-stat potions, furniture etc) but all of that can be circumvented with gold.

If you don't mind the expense of outfitting with gold, then by all means skip crafting. Many mats are worth a LOT. Join a largish guild with a trader and you'll make bank with all the useless flowers you pick up. Supplement with stealing and there's no reason you can't get reasonably wealthy without too much trouble.

So I can get gold from guild traders for crafting mats. Interesting. Notes taken. Again, thanks for all the info you guys give me, your time and insight are much appreciated.

[joonkp1976]

Zolan's Junk Handler gives you option to auto destroy items and flag which are unwanted junk items... Hope this helps...

[Crixus]

Crafting is only important if you care about getting the stuff easier and for yourself.

There is a lot you will use crafting for end game, like making your own armor (if crafted armor is best for that char) making your own food, potions and poisons. Farming crafting resources to sell for gold, doing daily writs for good rewards ect

You can play without doing any of this of course but imo it's better to use crafting in this game.

With only picking up the crafting mats you need/use or are worth it and using just 1 character (best to make them your main crafter) to hold the stuff that would be fine, so don't worry about it, the only hasstle will be passing crafting stuff over from other chars to the crafting char, I would leave some space in your bank for this since you can pass items between characters here.

So yeah the craft bag is very helpful but it's mainly just a lazy thing, every crafting items goes there right away instead of having to pass it to another character and since it's infinate it allows you to carry lots of crafting mats, but that's not needed.

[Cpt. Stern]

You can get a lot of gold selling the mats even the food stuff. Some go for 10 gold each. Some alchemy go for up to 100 gold or more. Perfect row is about 10k now. Nirn is 3 or 7k. Kuta is about 3k. Some motif materials are 2 or 300

[Captain Conundrum]

Even if you don't do crafting, those materials can still be worth something. Most of those are worth much more when you sell them to other players than you get from selling to NPCs. You can join a trading guild and put them up for sale. Another option is to find players willing to accept CoD (cash on delivery) mail. When I've done this before, I usually make an agreement in advance to pay anywhere from half price to full price for whatever amount that ends up being sent. There is a lot of convenience in being able to send off your materials halfway through a quest without going to a bank, and then getting gold for it once the buyer logs in.

[Cpt. Stern]

I would like to add one final point about crafting if it hasn't been mentioned. Crafting takes a lot of skill points. About 150 maybe if you do all the passives. This is a substantial investment for someone who just wants to play. I did say that crafting is useful and I enjoy it but I wouldn't let it deter anyone from playing the game. It's like a game within the game. Lots of the drop gear is meta and getting crafted gear from another player just means providing the mats and maybe a bit of gold. As a crafter i have totally ignored crafting furniture and just sell all that stuff. Good gold to be made.