The tank problem

[Wolfstorm]

I have seem some players complaining about "fake tanks". The queue for dps or healer on the dungeons is usually one hour, sometimes even more, which forces people to play as tanks.

However, why there are so few "true" tanks? This happens because the sword and shield skill line is severely, absolutely, completely, underpowered, in every way. So the reason why we see so few tanks, is the same reason why we see so few people playing with sword and shield. There are days that only myself are carrying a shield, and every other player is with a dual wield or two-handed weapon. And this is a waste, as some of the shields are very beautiful.

See for example the first skill in the line, it deals 1500 damage, against a total of 2500 from the dual wield equivalent skill. And the last one, "power bash", thats a joke, as it deals the same damage of shield charge, so theres no reason to spend points on it.

We need a buff in the sword and shield line, something around 50% more damage, to bring some incentive for players to use it. Complaining about the lack of tanks will not bring us anywhere.

Also, ZOS could gain some money selling templates to allow the players to put customized skins on their shields.

[Drake]

There is not one way to build a tank, there is a baseline. A tank needs a taunt, a pull, a CC, some support skills and a reliable block. That the bare minimum, then depending on the dungeon you need to pick certain skills to counter bosses.

You can't have boss phases with strategy and flexibility over base gameplay of a tank. There needs to be some common ground, otherwise anyone can come saying he's a tank, but how does he tank ? with tank skills, so then what are tank skills ? taunt, block, CC, support, pull.
See there is no other way.
It's liek saying the game is bad because you can't make a bow/bow healer. Why ? because bows don't heal people, healing magic heals people. Bows don't tank, tank skills tank.

Then when you have the baseline you can actually make a lot of tank builds.

You have pure stamina tanks, with spam blocks, you have magicka tanks, that bring a frost staff in backbar. You have selfish tanks that only buff themselves to be immortals and draw everything to him, you have support tanks that bring a lot of buffs. Then since summerset you can have any class for tanking, and sorcerer tank is very different from DK tank, warden tank etc.

Saying there is only one way to tank is a very simplistic view of the game.

I personnally have a specific way of tanking with my DK, I focus mostly on damage shields to buff groups and so I have a lot of HP (because DK shield scales of HP) and use stuff like imperium set, igneus shield, magma armor etc.
Some will use alkosh or other trial sets to buff other people, some will maximize their ultimate generation to spam their ultimate (especially NB tanks).

[737]

Yeah, I have a nightblade tank and a dk tank and they are completely different, saying there's only one way to play tank is just wrong! If you think the game is hot garbage, then why the ♥♥♥♥ are you playing it? Deus_Drone? Don't talk ♥♥♥♥ about a game if you know nothing about it!

[737]

Look at your review man!
"There is also only 1 build to be able to tank end game, that is with a sword and shield.
There is no exceptions, so the entire character tree is a waste of time,"
Are you serious??? You post a NEGATIVE review on a game you actually play, and the review contains wrong info about the game? Jesus man! Why do you even have a review for a game you only have 100 hours in anyways???? How about you actually learn the game before posting a review? Instead of posting fake ♥♥♥♥ online?

[Ðëprávèd•Mïšçréånt]

Escrito originalmente por Sajah:

There is not one way to build a tank, there is a baseline. A tank needs a taunt, a pull, a CC, some support skills and a reliable block. That the bare minimum, then depending on the dungeon you need to pick certain skills to counter bosses.

You can't have boss phases with strategy and flexibility over base gameplay of a tank. There needs to be some common ground, otherwise anyone can come saying he's a tank, but how does he tank ? with tank skills, so then what are tank skills ? taunt, block, CC, support, pull.
See there is no other way.
It's liek saying the game is bad because you can't make a bow/bow healer. Why ? because bows don't heal people, healing magic heals people. Bows don't tank, tank skills tank.

Then when you have the baseline you can actually make a lot of tank builds.

You have pure stamina tanks, with spam blocks, you have magicka tanks, that bring a frost staff in backbar. You have selfish tanks that only buff themselves to be immortals and draw everything to him, you have support tanks that bring a lot of buffs. Then since summerset you can have any class for tanking, and sorcerer tank is very different from DK tank, warden tank etc.

Saying there is only one way to tank is a very simplistic view of the game.

I personnally have a specific way of tanking with my DK, I focus mostly on damage shields to buff groups and so I have a lot of HP (because DK shield scales of HP) and use stuff like imperium set, igneus shield, magma armor etc.
Some will use alkosh or other trial sets to buff other people, some will maximize their ultimate generation to spam their ultimate (especially NB tanks).

Two handed sword and the undaunted taunt is not enough.
There is only one other taunt in game outside of the Armour set abilities.

You can't call it a base line.
Oh look I have ma sword and sheild, I can now build something diverse...... no you can't
As you just got restricted to the worst looking animations in game.
Wanna tank, has to be a sword and shield, ya know that Undaunted guild that give you the only other taunt in game, yeah it doesn't work as a tank so you can't make it viable.
back to the horrible looking sword and shield.

They couldn't even make a shield attached to the characters arm, it is floating in mid-air for crying out loud.

When searching online sword and board is the only end game tank that is viable to be used and it looks so so bad.

Zeni max should have never made this game with the Elder scrolsl license.

Escrito originalmente por 737:

Look at your review man!
"There is also only 1 build to be able to tank end game, that is with a sword and shield.
There is no exceptions, so the entire character tree is a waste of time,"
Are you serious??? You post a NEGATIVE review on a game you actually play, and the review contains wrong info about the game? Jesus man! Why do you even have a review for a game you only have 100 hours in anyways???? How about you actually learn the game before posting a review? Instead of posting fake ♥♥♥♥ online?

LOL do a quick search and you will find what I have said to be correct.
Please continue to tell me that you know everything.

[737]

Dude what is your problem??? Have you played other mmos????? Tanks have sword and shield, that's the way it is!
But you're still wrong! You can use sword and shield in one bar, two handed on the other bar, you can use ice staff on the other bar, you can use resto staff on the other bar.
OBVIOUSLY there's gonna be more optimal builds! The most optimal is sword and shield on both bars, SO OBVIOULSY it's gonna be used for tanking end game content! Why is this even a problem??? Why is this so hard to understand??? If you wanted this to be like skyrim then it's your fault and your fault alone if you're disappointed!

[Ðëprávèd•Mïšçréånt]

Escrito originalmente por 737:

Dude what is your problem??? Have you played other mmos????? Tanks have sword and shield, that's the way it is!
But you're still wrong! You can use sword and shield in one bar, two handed on the other bar, you can use ice staff on the other bar, you can use resto staff on the other bar.
OBVIOUSLY there's gonna be more optimal builds! The most optimal is sword and shield on both bars, SO OBVIOULSY it's gonna be used for tanking end game content! Why is this even a problem??? Why is this so hard to understand??? If you wanted this to be like skyrim then it's your fault and your fault alone if you're disappointed!

It is not understanding that is the issue.

You do know the meaning of the word viable correct?
You do know in Vet dungeons there is only 1 way to play a tank correct?
So that is not diversity, that is called static.

Also saying "that is the way it is" proved my point are you american? that comprehension seems about right.

[737]

NO, THERE'S NOT! I PLAYED VET DUNGEONS WITH AN ICE STAFF BEFORE, STOP SAYING INCORRECT ♥♥♥♥!
No! saying "that's the way it is" doesn't prove your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ point! I'm saying that IT'S BETTER to have sword and shield on both bars, BETTER, NOT NECESSARY!

[737]

Why are you not complaining about how DDs have to use dual wield/bow for content?? It's the same ♥♥♥♥! You can use two handed bow, two handed dual wield, but dual weild bow combo is the better option, SAME ♥♥♥♥! You're gonna see people using dual wield/bow WAY more then two handed!

[Ðëprávèd•Mïšçréånt]

Then why is it that every search I have done to date and the CP 780 players are telling me the total opposite to what you are saying?

[737]

Because as I said before, in end game content, people want to achieve the best results, SO OBVIOUSLY, EVERY build you'll see have sword and shield on both bars! I'm also a 780cp player, does that change anything? You play this game like you want, but in end game content like vet trials and even some normal trials, you will be pretty much forced to use sword and shield on both bars, that's the way it is if you wanna achieve the best results with least dificulty.

[Ðëprávèd•Mïšçréånt]

Escrito originalmente por 737:

Because as I said before, in end game content, people want to achieve the best results, SO OBVIOUSLY, EVERY build you'll see have sword and shield on both bars! I'm also a 780cp player, does that change anything? You play this game like you want, but in end game content like vet trials and even some normal trials, you will be pretty much forced to use sword and shield on both bars, that's the way it is if you wanna achieve the best results with least dificulty.

So the build I have is a two handed sword (both bars are two handed swords.
I went into two handed swords only. Then leveled up some other tree's just to get ultimates I wanted (ones that use the damage sheild) So I max out the damage sheild frequently, I can block all damage to 0, my stamina gets raped to bits though.

Is what I have done a viable tank build.

[737]

Heavy attack to restore stamina, Helping Hands passive if you're a dk, leeching strikes if you're nightblade, there's many options you have to restore stamina, deep thoughts on the psijic order. Don't know much about sorc templar and warden tanking so can't help there.

[Ðëprávèd•Mïšçréånt]

Escrito originalmente por 737:

Heavy attack to restore stamina, Helping Hands passive if you're a dk, leeching strikes if you're nightblade, there's many options you have to restore stamina, deep thoughts on the psijic order. Don't know much about sorc templar and warden tanking so can't help there.

So in a vet dungeon, I was told to block and only block on this specific boss, was the one that is in a lava pit at the end of an undergorund gladiator match.

Basically like that I could not get an opening to heavy hit to restore stamina.

Why was I being told that I should only be using a sword and board for tanking?

I use the undaunted skill to taunt, I have massive amounts of stamina regen, I also have huge damage absorbtion.
Why was I told this, why when I search online the only info I can find regarding ESO tanking is sword and board is the only way it will work.

Lets focus on the Vet dungeons as the normal ones I tank without an issue.

[737]

Which vet dungeon? DLC vet dungeons are way harder than other vet dungeons. This is one of the cases where having sword and whield would greatly benefit you. But you don't wanna do it, so that's a problem I can't help you with. Yes, some content, sword and shield is indeed the only way. The amount of damage you block is way higher than blocking with a two handed. And the passives help a lot. We go back to what I said before. If you're thinking about tanking hard content with two handed you'll never be able to finish the dungeon. You can use two handed on the off bar if you want still.

[Drake]

Clearly you never tanked in trials and vet dungeons. Tanking isn't just about having taunts. The tank is the defencer of a team. taunting is just one of the many things you have to do in a fight in eso.

First about the 2H line : stop, this is a dps mainly pvp line. It's not made for tanking it's made to not die as a frontline dps. Tanking isn't about surviving, it's about team support. So get that one out. If you pick a 2H sword it's to kill people, not using it to block.

About the undaunted line. It's a guild line. As all guild lines, they are there as cross class alternative for builds. Typical example, the fire grip is the DK single target pull. Other classes don't have a pull as class skills (except warden but it's an aoe teleport, doesn't work the same), but they can use the fighter's guild crossbow to pull mobs, it's a different kind of pull but it's a pull.
It's the same for undaunted lines, you have a shield, a CC, synergies, healing abilities for non templars healers etc.
It's not a tank line, it's an utility line for anyone needing the utility. Same as fighter's guild, mages guild and psijic order.

Now, only one build viable for tanks ? seriously ? Who said that ? what stupid idiot said that ? to whoever said that to you tell him to trash his account and start the game from the beginning.
First there is no "one viable", because there are variations depending on bosses and encounters.
You know what good tanks do ? they switch equipment and skills depending on bosses BETWEEN FIGHTS IN AN INSTANCE.

If there is only one viable build why the hell do tanks use addons like dressing rooms with different presets depending on isntances.

If there is only one viable tank ? there is there still in 2018 discussions about selfish tanks and support utility tanks ?

Why do we have sorcerer tanks and NB lifeleech tanks ?

Why do we have some freaking tank builds requiring vampire and some don't ?

If you think using a shield meaning having all 5 skills of sword and shield in your bar, please, spare groups a lot of suffering, don't play tank, forget there is a tank, go play dps. This is not a job for you.