The perspective of people who simply hate ESO

[Hawkstein]

First things first, this was my conversation with two friends of mine yesterday.

Me: "Odd, why don't you like ESO?"
Friend1: "Doesn't feel like an Elder Scrolls game."
Friend2: "Yeah, it's a mess."
Friend1: "Also, it's just another generic MMO like every other, doesn't break out of the box."
Friend2: "Yeah, only you play the shittiest games like ESO."
(Friend1 handshakes Friend2)
Me: "Generic? really..."
Me: "So, in that case, how was your ESO impressions as an MMO?"
Friend1: "MMO? That game has nothing to do with an MMO, the mechanics are so atrocious that I prefer to start my WoW annual sub again!"
Me: "..."
Friend2: "Dude stop playing that crappy game, come and try TERA Online, it's better and has an aim unlike other MMOs."


It seems that my two friends were either trying to defend their games or just mocking me, the hate was so blind that one excuse contradicted another. The problem is that it's not only them, this hate is like fashion, most haters focus on excuses akin to these ones or for being different from Skyrim. After I invited some friends to play in the latest free weekend (and 9/10 of them hated), I gathered these profiles in common between these players, and their similar preferrences have been the following:

- 9 play FIFA, PES, Sims, GTAV, LoL and Assassins Creed
- 6 play WoW and other 4 find the game good by buzzword
- 4 play(ed) TERA and want to try Black Desert Online
- 2 play Bless Online, other 7 believe from the former 2 to be good
- 5 play most games on their PS4 and own most exclusive games from it
- 9 disgust when I say that I played Runescape (2007), but ironically 8 of them are currently playing it using a bot to afk farm
- 10 of them spend most of the time debating about sports and gossip
- 10 of them played Skyrim, all the 10 only played the main quest +DLC and ignored side/guild/radiant quests
- only 4 described their toons/chars, all the 4 were early game Stamina Templars (...kinda weird tho)
- only 1 is concerned about crossplay (and is the only reason he dislikes ESO), the other 9 are not aware of the term nor either know it's meaning

Welp, did you guys find something similar? Something different? Any thoughts? Any tips to find a way to mitigate new players from hating? Or at least to prevent bringing in potential haters to badmouth the game?

[Hawkstein]

Escrito originalmente por Cheesus Crust:

You need new friends. They're objectively wrong. They didn't bother to define what generic means, they didn't define what an ES game is to them without sounding biased, they didn't explain what aim TERA has, they don't know the factual definition of MMO, their imaginations are shallow, and all of them are cynically blinded by nostalgia with narrow-minded opinions forced upon them by other people. They don't think for themselves nor do they have a taste for art.

People need to be open-minded and not judgemental, willing to explore any new thing for an extended period of time before offering a first-hand perspective. There's no excuse not to be, it's the best way to get maximum enjoyment out of any game you play. Putting tastes aside if they don't bother to try something and take it seriously, then they're just keeping themselves from having fun. Having a sour state of mind like they did doesn't help no matter what.

The only two expectations I went into ESO with were a standard MMO mechanics and all, and a connection to the Elder Scrolls universe as anyone should. I didn't ask for anything else and I was pleasantly surprised.

Now that you talk about it, I feel them to be pretty much attatched to common sense and mutual conformity, sometimes they treat me as if they were hunting a witch for having different opinions and always discard my opinions by saying that I'm wrong all the time. For instance, I dislike soccer and they say that "having knowledge about soccer is an obligation to every man", which proves them to be pretty much stereotyped and reliable on populism, aswell as intolerant to anything that is out of their spectrum.

[MR.hyde]

Escrito originalmente por *Dog:

Escrito originalmente por Peanut_butter:

The only problem I have with this game is dumb server and even dumb eso+ fanboys .....game would've been great if these eso+ fanboys never existed!!

ESO + is really nice I must say. :farseer:

my dear simple minded friend, eso+ is only nice bc zos designed the game in a way that eso+ "appears" to be really nice, imo the crafting bag should be standard game feature or there shouldnt be 1 million crafting components in the game in the first place.

and then eso+ should keep what it already has PLUS one should immediatly have a mount with max riding speed. then eso+ would be great because it doesnt have the bitter taste of "i need to have eso+ to cope with my inventory"

on a second thought, one should get all the stuff thats in the cash shop with eso+ sounds greedy from my part for the eso+ fanboy but think about it, we buy a full price game, we buy expansions, we subscribe monthly and then they also want to charge money if we want to customize our chars with a beard, or give our outfit a new color?! now who is greedy?

[Nephritho]

Friend1 just contradicfted himself. "Also, it's just another generic MMO like every other, doesn't break out of the box."
"MMO? That game has nothing to do with an MMO, the mechanics are so atrocious that I prefer to start my WoW annual sub again!"
You need better friends that know what they are talking about and not sound like an idiot.

[Magnus Chro]

Escrito originalmente por MR.hyde:

Escrito originalmente por *Dog:

ESO + is really nice I must say. :farseer:

my dear simple minded friend, eso+ is only nice bc zos designed the game in a way that eso+ "appears" to be really nice, imo the crafting bag should be standard game feature or there shouldnt be 1 million crafting components in the game in the first place.

and then eso+ should keep what it already has PLUS one should immediatly have a mount with max riding speed. then eso+ would be great because it doesnt have the bitter taste of "i need to have eso+ to cope with my inventory"

on a second thought, one should get all the stuff thats in the cash shop with eso+ sounds greedy from my part for the eso+ fanboy but think about it, we buy a full price game, we buy expansions, we subscribe monthly and then they also want to charge money if we want to customize our chars with a beard, or give our outfit a new color?! now who is greedy?

Yes but what other MMO on the market lets me wear a shirt that says "I used to be a WOW player then I took an arrow to the knee!"

[Sunnis]

this game really need to be upgraded like tanks need to have one or 2 more aoe taunts for trash tanking and the skill bar needs more slots for more skills to use and also this game need better servers and better graphics those are my opinion on this game that needs fixing. but about ur friends hating this game is they have diffrent taste then ur liking not everyone like certain game or aspects.

[Hole Diver]

MMO Player - "oh man this game is such trash because i have no respect for the franchise and just care about being the top dog at everything and whaling out every possible purchase"

TES Fan- "wow finally a game that allows us to visit every province in tamriel in a different era and experience entirely new storylines and meet new characters....but it isnt single player so its not a TES game"

[Okidoke]

"Dude stop playing that crappy game, come and try TERA Online, it's better and has an aim unlike other MMOs."
Clearly your friend doesn't know his arse from his elbow as TERA's about as generic an MMO as they come...and what does he/she mean by 'has an aim' anyway?
Aim as in story? - erm...okaaay...because ESO has none of that, does it? lol

[Dozell]

Escrito originalmente por Redguard Freeman:

MMO Player - "oh man this game is such trash because i have no respect for the franchise and just care about being the top dog at everything and whaling out every possible purchase"

TES Fan- "wow finally a game that allows us to visit every province in tamriel in a different era and experience entirely new storylines and meet new characters....but it isnt single player so its not a TES game"

Pretty accurate. I recently replayed daggerfall for the whole "every province" thing. It was fun, but hard to play.

[Hawkstein]

Escrito originalmente por Okidoke:

"Dude stop playing that crappy game, come and try TERA Online, it's better and has an aim unlike other MMOs."
Clearly your friend doesn't know his arse from his elbow as TERA's about as generic an MMO as they come...and what does he/she mean by 'has an aim' anyway?
Aim as in story? - erm...okaaay...because ESO has none of that, does it? lol

He was referring to the aim on the screen.

[Wendersnaven]

Escrito originalmente por Sunnis:

this game really need to be upgraded like tanks need to have one or 2 more aoe taunts for trash tanking and the skill bar needs more slots for more skills to use and also this game need better servers and better graphics those are my opinion on this game that needs fixing. but about ur friends hating this game is they have diffrent taste then ur liking not everyone like certain game or aspects.

The reason this isn't happening is because the number of skills slotted is directly related to what skills are available, and it all boils down to this game not only being on P.C. but on X-Box. So really, it suffers because the skills and balance are based around console-peons and their controller needs ... and their $$$ just like any business which has to consider its customer base.

[MR.hyde]

Escrito originalmente por Hawkstein:

Escrito originalmente por Okidoke:

"Dude stop playing that crappy game, come and try TERA Online, it's better and has an aim unlike other MMOs."
Clearly your friend doesn't know his arse from his elbow as TERA's about as generic an MMO as they come...and what does he/she mean by 'has an aim' anyway?
Aim as in story? - erm...okaaay...because ESO has none of that, does it? lol

He was referring to the aim on the screen.

lel, troll detected

[MR.hyde]

Escrito originalmente por Wendersnaven:

Escrito originalmente por Sunnis:

this game really need to be upgraded like tanks need to have one or 2 more aoe taunts for trash tanking and the skill bar needs more slots for more skills to use and also this game need better servers and better graphics those are my opinion on this game that needs fixing. but about ur friends hating this game is they have diffrent taste then ur liking not everyone like certain game or aspects.

The reason this isn't happening is because the number of skills slotted is directly related to what skills are available, and it all boils down to this game not only being on P.C. but on X-Box. So really, it suffers because the skills and balance are based around console-peons and their controller needs ... and their $$$ just like any business which has to consider its customer base.

small fail in ur logic is that it was designed as a pc game and got a console port later and i dont think the consol money is a reason for the low amount of skills usable at a time, i think it is bc zos wants to keep the game as casual as possible and to many skills would only confuse the guileble people that zos aims at, u know? the same guilable people that buy soulgems for crowns :)

[Magnus Chro]

Escrito originalmente por MR.hyde:

Escrito originalmente por Wendersnaven:

The reason this isn't happening is because the number of skills slotted is directly related to what skills are available, and it all boils down to this game not only being on P.C. but on X-Box. So really, it suffers because the skills and balance are based around console-peons and their controller needs ... and their $$$ just like any business which has to consider its customer base.

small fail in ur logic is that it was designed as a pc game and got a console port later and i dont think the consol money is a reason for the low amount of skills usable at a time, i think it is bc zos wants to keep the game as casual as possible and to many skills would only confuse the guileble people that zos aims at, u know? the same guilable people that buy soulgems for crowns :)

Epic fail in your logic actually! The game was originally designed as a PC game but with the intent of moving to console. The developement decisions were directly based on mass appeal across multi-platforms.

How can people be so blind to this?

[Dragonbored]

The More I play ESO , the more I am blown away by the Quality, detail, and everything... Yeah for sure there are some annoying things,, but OMG, Do you ever play Tera or Wow, and stop on the top of a mountain admiring the view thinking, OMG this game is simply beautifull.. I am amazed that more people dont like it... Well I keep spreading the word, etc,,, 1600 hours into Modded Skyrim ant I thought that was the best game ever, and it is in some ways, but it other ways, ESO is miles better.... Just Rambling!!! lol

NA server @scott90125 Stam Warden CP 410 Loving it!

[Wendersnaven]

Escrito originalmente por Upcoming:

Escrito originalmente por MR.hyde:

small fail in ur logic is that it was designed as a pc game and got a console port later and i dont think the consol money is a reason for the low amount of skills usable at a time, i think it is bc zos wants to keep the game as casual as possible and to many skills would only confuse the guileble people that zos aims at, u know? the same guilable people that buy soulgems for crowns :)

Epic fail in your logic actually! The game was originally designed as a PC game but with the intent of moving to console. The developement decisions were directly based on mass appeal across multi-platforms.

How can people be so blind to this?

"Fail-speak" aside for respectful conversation- Regardless of when the game was designed and for what platform, they have an audience of console players which provide their business money. The X-box controller has a small number of buttons which suits the current game mechanics.

They can easily add more skills. In fact one of the most popular UI mods adds to the bar, but due to hard coding you can't put combat skills in the extra slots. If they were to cater to the strength of PC gaming, the X-Box players would be alienated. They need the money from both groups to run a business.

What I wonder is how many X-Box players have a working P.C. they could play the game on? Everyone I've encountered who has made a switch to P.C. feels the game is much better on that platform. I've seen quite a few in zone chat or guild asking for help getting set up with starting gear or ports since the account characters don't transfer.

@Dragonbored- I came back to ESO a month ago when Skyrim SE borked SKSE. I actually enjoy the combat in ESO better than previous Elder Scrolls titles. I had the bug, and it feeds the need if you smell what I'm steppin in.