Are the races in the right alliances?

[cool1blues]

I was thinking about the alliances and was wondering if they are in the right ones. I mean shouldn't the elves all be together, the humans and then the other races?

The Dunmer enslaved the Argonians so I find it difficult to believe they would ally themselves with them. The same with the Orcs and Bretons. The Bretons have destroyed Orsinium multiple times so I feel an alliance would be suspect. The Altmer detest the Khajiit so that also makes little sence. Was wondering your thoughts on this.

These were my thoughts as I laid down to go to sleep last night after gaming for 4 1/2 hours. lol

[Met A Demon Once]

You sign up with the races which are close to you. That is why the Dominion have cats in their alliance. Same with the Dunmer and Argonians. Who would want to sign an alliance and be on the other side of the continent. You would get no support.

[Argstein]

let me tell you THE LORE OF THE LAND, son. THE LORE OF THE LAND (elderscrolls land) is that dark elves and high elves don't at all get along. iirc

furthermore who could hate a khajit, or any cat-person for that matter?

[Drake]

The dominion at least is accurate, as it was reported to be that way in previous elder scrolls. The Khajiit actually liked the altmers, they thought of them as superior beings that could protect them from slavery from other races (dunmers like khajiit slaves).

The real issue in alliances lies with orcs and argonians, they don't fit their alliances at all,and you actually kind of see it in alliance quests, orcs don't trust bretons and argonians don't really like dunmers either.

[Ficelle]

The 3 alliances are quite unstable and full of people disagreeing for plenty of reasons (racism, distrust, ressentment...)
There are many quests about it
And a lot of NPCs arent shy of saying what they think about their allies

All 3 alliances exist mostly because of common threats and to stay relevant against the other 2 alliances
There are some lore / books explaining the why

Think of US / USSR alliance against Germany...
Allies dont need to like each other if they have a common highl threat

[watchdog79]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

snip...

Did you mean a common "threat", perhaps?

[Ficelle]

Yep
Always have a hard time remembering these 2, treat and threat ;D

Will edit

[Nephritho]

Beside not all dunmer are allied with argonians some still treat them as slaves like in Vvardefll by house telvanni. The pact forbid slavery, hence why Telvanni don't belong with the pact, and some other houses still enslave argonians in shadowfen because they are not part of the pact, same reason why some argonians left argonia and morrowind when they finally were declared free.
Orcs are elves, but all other races see orcs as beastfolk like the khajiit. But highking emeric allowed the orcs to have their orsinium if they fight for DC.
khajiit believe that the altmer helped to get back the moons so the khajiit can repopulate it self. (no moon no kittens) If this is tue however is another question. Even so the altmer are very racist even to those that are allied with.
Most mer don't like the others because of religion. Dunmer worship the three (before that 3 daedric princes) so that's heresy for altmer and bosmer. Most Orsimer believe in the daedric prince malacath.
The pact was made so the three races could be free to do what they want and when in trouble could help on eachother. So the nords could party hardy with their mead and rough housing, dunmer could worshipping the three and eat bug eggs and argonians loligagging in the mud and lick hist trees. As long there was one rule that everyone followed, no slavery within the pact.
So they see the two other alliences as a problem because they would tell the three races how to live and who to worship.
Convenant was made so bretons and redgaurds would sit on the ruby throne, as the orcs like mentioned above could have their city.
Now Aldmeri dominion had the same motivation as coventant. The throne and if they had to work with lesser races so be it.

[Konachibi]

Consider this. About 80 years ago Europe was at war with Germany, while now Germany are practically in control of the European Union and are allied with those countries they once fought.

Political landscapes change all the time, yesterday's enemy can be tomorrow's friend, and there's always large time gaps between each Elder Scrolls game, so canonically:-

Elder Scrolls Online - Second Era 583 (800 years before Arena)
Arena - Third era 399
Daggerfall - Third era 405 (6 years after Arena)
Morrowind - Third era 427 (22 years after Daggerfall)
Oblivion - Third era 433 (6 years after Morrowind)
Skyrim - Fourth era 201 (201 years after Oblivion)

Zenimax did the smart thing of setting ESO a long time before any of the other Elder Scrolls games, effectively giving them some freedom when it comes to crafting the world, it's lore, and what races do or don't get along.

[Salvo Wolf]

Originally posted by cool1blues:

I was thinking about the alliances and was wondering if they are in the right ones. I mean shouldn't the elves all be together, the humans and then the other races?

The Dunmer enslaved the Argonians so I find it difficult to believe they would ally themselves with them. The same with the Orcs and Bretons. The Bretons have destroyed Orsinium multiple times so I feel an alliance would be suspect. The Altmer detest the Khajiit so that also makes little sence. Was wondering your thoughts on this.

These were my thoughts as I laid down to go to sleep last night after gaming for 4 1/2 hours. lol

I will explain it...

Daggerfall Covenant was founded with the marriage between High King Emeric and a Redguard Princess (forgot her name, sorry) which cemented the alliance between Breton and Redguard with the Orcs joining Emeric with the promise of better trade in the region and to help combat the other two factions.

Ebonheart Pact was formed during the Akaviri Invasion of the area when those races put aside their differences to repel them, and directly after the alliance wars starting up. It should be noted that despite being enslave, Argonians are chill as all hell and their faith in the Hist Tree (which can see the future) makes it where they do not hold grudges and such.

Aldmeri Dominion gained the trust of the Khajiit (and a sort of debt) after they saved them from a plague that wiped out a ton of other people and races (Fun note, there should have been fox people in this era but they were wiped out by plague). The Bosmer follow the AD to protect their way of life and Valonwood, which the Altmer still allow them to follow their religion (which includes eating anything they kill, even people).

Yes, racial tensions are high among the factions but until Talos comes and gets everyone to get their crap together, its all we got.

[Konachibi]

Originally posted by Salvo Wolf:

(Fun note, there should have been fox people in this era but they were wiped out by plague).

Wish you hadn't said that, now I'll forever wish to have the option of making a fox girl.

Maybe ZOS can add them in an expansion as a sort of 'nearly extinct forgotten tribe that avoided the plague' or something. That'd be cool.