Morrowind DLC Slave BS

[Ashrazal]

I swear i thought it would be bad but never thought it to be this dumb. Is EVERY quest in EVERY location about slaves and interspecies relationships? Is this the only thing those numbskulls could come up with?

[Deyvson]

From what I saw, only House Telvanni has slaves, as all Dark Elves did before the Ebon Pact. The Nord had Argonian slaves too. It's not outside the lore at all, the big majority of the game is about more conservative values, like valor in battle and such. I made those quests and I thought they were very well written, slavery existed in real life and it is morally wrong. There is a part when a guy wants to free a slave girl to make her marry him, but she wanted only her freedom, not to marry. I saw nothing wrong with that, and I thought those quests were among the most deep in the game from what I saw so far.

SJWs want to promote strife and distrust between different parts of society with discourses about "evil oppressors against good oppressed", but that doesn't mean that to oppose them you have to do the extreme opposite, some things are just wrong and are not impossible to happen, like slavery. I gladly helped the Argonian girl, although my lack of sympathy for Argonians is second only to my lack of sympathy to Khajiits. The only hint I got from a SJW mindset were when the queen of the Altmers called her oppositors racists with small minds because she integrated Khajiits and Wood Elves into the kingdom. But still the background was very well laid for the way she spoke, she was not some crazy pro-immigration, she made a militar alliance with them because the Altmers would not be able to stand alone against the other races.

All races make pejorative remarks about the other races, and I think it's very funny, the game is far from being a SJW wet dream. All is very well presented, we don't feel like the story is told in a somewhat unfair way. The very idea that different races in the game have different passives, or different innate qualities, is already against everything SJWs believe. And as the game is not a SJW wet dream, it's not a conservative wet dream either, and should not be, propaganda has to be left out of the game as much as possible. We have gay marriage in the game, for example, women being stronger than men many times in battle. But that really should not bother anyone, unless you are a conservative version of a SJW, that think the creative decisions of the game maker should follow your political opinions.

[Ashrazal]

I'm not saying it should not be included but what annoyed me was that we have ONE quest in Vos. ONE quest at Karthag point and so on and that ONE quest in so many places is always about slaves. Now if we had 5 quests and 1 of those 5 were related to the slave stuff sure. But they had a choice. And in Morrowind the Telvanni quests were fun and entertaining and slavery in a game is morally nothing. The whole thing about old Bethesda games that was fun was the moral ambiguity. It really didn't matter if you went "evil" or "good" cause it was all a shade of grey. Personally in an RPG i can well chose to play a Dunmer who thinks slaves on his slatrice plantation are neat without having an opinion forced on my character that breaks the immersion of that character. Personally i fell in love with the Morrowind of the 3rd Era WITH slaves WITH unique, fun and psychopathic Telvanni wizards. So that is where the frustration comes from. Anyways its way too late to improve whats already there so all thats left to do is grab your xp enjoy the questlines that arent dumb (imo) and move on.

[Ficelle]

There are more than one intelligent specie in the world
Add in slavery, war state, distrust, disdain, inconprehension, ressentment, racism...
Of course, relationships between species play a huge part

And it is far from 'we love each other'...and many NPCs are not shy about saying what they think about other species...
There are also quite a lot of same specie factions relations
The different Houses in Morrowind, the whole Ashlander stuff...

Morrowind DLC is not all about slaves
Main quest isnt
In fact, most quests arent...
Only Telvanni area has some
The 'Sun-in-Shadow' female argonian questline is also quite good (starts about slavery, but isnt really about slavery...)

You are always free to not take a quest if you dont agree RP wise
Dont wanna free some slaves, dont take the 'free some slaves' quest
Easy

[lilac]

Originally posted by watchdog79:

Originally posted by Extension:

yo I see you in all these discussions and everytime you are dickriding this game HARD. Like its not the best most amazing product ever created in the solar system chill

I am fan of the Elder Scrolls universe and a new player. I should be allowed some enthusiasm for having the whole Tamriel before me, shouldn't I? Besides, yes, ESO as of 2018 definitely is one of the best games I have ever played.

On the other hand, I do get your attitude, I do. You feel entitled to have everything absolutely perfect, tailored to your every whim without the slightest compromise, and all this wrapped up in one neat package given to you free of charge...

yeah sure in about 200 hours you will have a different attitude like everyone else

[Ashrazal]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

There are more than one intelligent specie in the world
Add in slavery, war state, distrust, disdain, inconprehension, ressentment, racism...
Of course, relationships between species play a huge part

And it is far from 'we love each other'...and many NPCs are not shy about saying what they think about other species...
There are also quite a lot of same specie factions relations
The different Houses in Morrowind, the whole Ashlander stuff...

Morrowind DLC is not all about slaves
Main quest isnt
In fact, most quests arent...
Only Telvanni area has some
The 'Sun-in-Shadow' female argonian questline is also quite good (starts about slavery, but isnt really about slavery...)

You are always free to not take a quest if you dont agree RP wise
Dont wanna free some slaves, dont take the 'free some slaves' quest
Easy

okeeey but... like i said thats the choice i actually i wanted not the choice i actually have. and i will add. *compared to morrowind* . There i actually had the choice to ignore the underground slave freeing questline and simply not help every argonian in every cave. BUT instead i could work with the Telvanni and rise in their ranks. Just to clarify this isn't bashing the fact that these quests exist. But that there are no alternatives in those areas. Telvanni are so obviously made out to be hostile or unavailable to the player that you can't deny it. Even telvanni mages i encounter in the wilderness are not even white coloured (npc aura) but yellow. Same as kwama mobs in a dungeon. My point is that the game writers chose a path and the decision to not work with the Telvanni and instead work against them on a char that personally i would have loved to be able to do that. Vos has no other quests. And ok i will give the sadrith mora one a try and yes the main quest is very ok so far. It only bothers me cause i can see that they definitly made the choice to not enable the player to friendly with slave holding factions because of their own moral reasons and that imo goes against what Bethesda used to do. Give you all moral choices. From downright despicable and insane to neutral and opportunistic to being the do good hero who saves everyone. And in the MMO you are bound to be the latter. In the end you always save everyone and you always make the "rightous" moral choices which is what i called dumbed down.
Kinda hoping i made the point clearer.

[Met A Demon Once]

Originally posted by Kiss-My-Ax:

Tell us how you really feel lmao
Dont like it then quit playing the game i'm sure no one cares lol

I really hated it too. I did not complete the stupid quest till 8 months later.

[barefootkiller]

you're right, I think you should quit in protest. can I have your gold and stuff?

[watchdog79]

Originally posted by Extension:

yeah sure in about 200 hours you will have a different attitude like everyone else

Nah, I don't think so. I feel there are thousands of hours happily exploring the world, reading all the books thoroughly, questing, crafting, and roleplaying, etc. before me. And don't even get me started on homesteads, you are talking to someone who has over 1600 hours played in Fallout 4, and I guess at least 1000 were spent building and decorating my settlements. The ESO's furnishing system may be limited compared to the options available in Fallout 4, but still, I already have some ideas on decorating all the available Khajiit homsteads.

I can see myself having fun in ESO for a looong time. Perhaps fun of a different kind than some, but still fun.

[JamuThatsWho]

I feel bad for people who've never played TES3.

[Ficelle]

Yeah, you are mostly forced into the goodie goodie side of things with very little choice

You are also quite railroaded if you think about it
You can side with Vivec (or ignore the whole quest), but you cant side with his enemies
It is never possible


It is a MMO
Every quest can be done by everyone the same
An Altmer, an Orc, a Brreton, a Dunmer..., male or female, young or old, from any class will have the exact same quests
Of course, it has to be quite generic with very little choice
Some quests are still great (my opinion...)

Even in solo games where the whole game is designed around the player, there are very few real choices in the end

Too costly to design hundreds of quests, each with many different outcomes possible and all interacting between each other
Mods can alleviate this to a point, but mods arent possible in a MMO


Just take it for what it is and enjoy the different stories like a film with some rare choices here and there

[lilac]

Originally posted by watchdog79:

Originally posted by Extension:

yeah sure in about 200 hours you will have a different attitude like everyone else

Nah, I don't think so. I feel there are thousands of hours happily exploring the world, reading all the books thoroughly, questing, crafting, and roleplaying, etc. before me. And don't even get me started on homesteads, you are talking to someone who has over 1600 hours played in Fallout 4, and I guess at least 1000 were spent building and decorating my settlements. The ESO's furnishing system may be limited compared to the options available in Fallout 4, but still, I already have some ideas on decorating all the available Khajiit homsteads.

I can see myself having fun in ESO for a looong time. Perhaps fun of a different kind than some, but still fun.

k you spent 100000000 hours on TES your so experienced wow

[lilac]

Originally posted by Ficelle:

Yeah, you are mostly forced into the goodie goodie side of things with very little choice

You are also quite railroaded if you think about it
You can side with Vivec (or ignore the whole quest), but you cant side with his enemies
It is never possible


It is a MMO
Every quest can be done by everyone the same
An Altmer, an Orc, a Brreton, a Dunmer..., male or female, young or old, from any class will have the exact same quests
Of course, it has to be quite generic with very little choice
Some quests are still great (my opinion...)

Even in solo games where the whole game is designed around the player, there are very few real choices in the end

Too costly to design hundreds of quests, each with many different outcomes possible and all interacting between each other
Mods can alleviate this to a point, but mods arent possible in a MMO


Just take it for what it is and enjoy the different stories like a film with some rare choices here and there

is this the first time that you said something that makes sense

[Ficelle]

Originally posted by Extension:

Originally posted by Ficelle:

Yeah, you are mostly forced into the goodie goodie side of things with very little choice

You are also quite railroaded if you think about it
You can side with Vivec (or ignore the whole quest), but you cant side with his enemies
It is never possible


It is a MMO
Every quest can be done by everyone the same
An Altmer, an Orc, a Brreton, a Dunmer..., male or female, young or old, from any class will have the exact same quests
Of course, it has to be quite generic with very little choice
Some quests are still great (my opinion...)

Even in solo games where the whole game is designed around the player, there are very few real choices in the end

Too costly to design hundreds of quests, each with many different outcomes possible and all interacting between each other
Mods can alleviate this to a point, but mods arent possible in a MMO


Just take it for what it is and enjoy the different stories like a film with some rare choices here and there

is this the first time that you said something that makes sense

Seems making sense for you is all about your own opinion and very little about hard facts

[watchdog79]

Originally posted by Extension:

k you spent 100000000 hours on TES your so experienced wow

Where did I say anything like that?

[:bestgamerchina#1最好的中國]

Originally posted by watchdog79:

Originally posted by Extension:

k you spent 100000000 hours on TES your so experienced wow

Where did I say anything like that?

Extension is mad cos he sucked at pvp super hard today.