Please Improve the Dated, Clunky Combat

[Blackcompany]

This could easily be my favorite game. Especially since my girl and I could play it together.

Alas, every time I try and return, I am immediately put off by stiff, dated animations, terrible, over reaching weapon collisions, endless, WoW style ability rotation and the general lack of heft and impact in the terrible, dated combat.

This game has a lot to love. Strong emphasis on questing and exploration. Solid dialogue, especially for an MMO. Tons to see and do. But every time it forces me into combat, I remember why I left for other games, because combat is far too prevalent, for it to be this dated and floaty. It NEEDS to be fixed, its holding the entire game back.

[watchdog79]

Well, I like the combat system and I like the animations.

If I could bring one thing from Age or Conan, my previous, beloved MMORPG, to ESO, I would choose the hate management in group combat.

[Blackcompany]

引用自 watchdog79：

Well, I like the combat system and I like the animations.

If I could bring one thing from Age or Conan, my previous, beloved MMORPG, to ESO, I would choose the hate management in group combat.

I'm glad you enjoy it. I really am. I wish I could.

But I cant. And doing a bit of research has revealed that I am far, far from the only person with these same complaints.

If you are going to make combat 80% or more of your game - and it is here, by far - then you need to actually make it a good, varied, satisfying combat system to use. And at this, the game fails miserably.

Like I said, weapons are weightless and their reach is fake. Hits dont even register. They have no impact. Ditto for magic. Combat feels dated and clunky and weightless and its very unsatisfying to play.

[AC Denton]

I honestly feel ESO's combat is the best I've seen in an MMO. It's great. (I'm by no means an MMO player though).

Can you suggest better examples I could check out?

[Blackcompany]

引用自 ac_denton：

I honestly feel ESO's combat is the best I've seen in an MMO. It's great. (I'm by no means an MMO player though).

Can you suggest better examples I could check out?

Any game that isnt an MMO. Literally ANY game. FYI, "Good for/Best in an MMO" isnt an argument, its a cop out. Being the least smelly pile of garbage on the block, doesnt make you less garbage. Thats not an attack on you; its directly to this overarching argument of "this is the best for an MMO" type position. Thats a cop out, not an argument.

This is 2019. This game engine hails from the early 2000's. Thats not old; in tech terms, thats an antique. And not a very shiny, attractive one. And it shows in the way the game plays. The insistence of Zenimax on using dated tech has begun to seriously detract from the experience of playing their games.

So yeah, go check out any melee combat oriented, offline game. Because you could throw a stone in any direction in a gamestop or other retailer, and bounce it off cases of a dozen games with far, far better melee combat than this one.

[MMOGamer71]

I have no issues with the combat in ESO.

[Blackcompany]

引用自 MMOGamer71：

I have no issues with the combat in ESO.

Thats great. I'm glad you dont.

Lots of people do. And the worst part of it is...that the awful combat, is literally the ONLY thing keeping a LOT of people from playing the game. Which is a damn shame, because the game is quite good in so many other ways.

If only they didnt push combat so hard. Or had spent time actually making a weighty, impactful, fun to use combat system instead of badly disguised, WoW tab targeting and ability rotation.

[Naravolian]

I guess you're looking for a combat system more similar to BDO? Or maybe it's just the animations themselves you hate, and not the core combat system?

Either way, you're not the only one who has an issue with it's combat. I've seen a few other people comment on this before. Personally I like it, and I kinda disagree on the whole revamp-idea, but I get where you're coming from.

That being said, I hope it isn't a deal breaker for you (like it has been for a few others), because like you mentioned, it IS a great game. (But if you seriously want to make these suggestions to the devs, they don't frequent the Steam forums, so you'll have to make a post on their website)

[MMOGamer71]

引用自 Blackcompany：

引用自 MMOGamer71：

I have no issues with the combat in ESO.

Thats great. I'm glad you dont.

Lots of people do. And the worst part of it is...that the awful combat, is literally the ONLY thing keeping a LOT of people from playing the game. Which is a damn shame, because the game is quite good in so many other ways.

If only they didnt push combat so hard. Or had spent time actually making a weighty, impactful, fun to use combat system instead of badly disguised, WoW tab targeting and ability rotation.

Completely disagree, this game has the same targeting system as Skyrim which has 10-20 million owners per SteamSpy estimates. ESO has 2-5 million owners on Steam per SteamSpy again and who knows how many from the standalone Bethesda PC client.

[rasabt]

the only issue, well two, i got with the combar are:

a) the short duration of buffs and debuffs, rarely have i played an arpg, crpg or mmo with such awekward rotations cause you constantly need to recast buffs/debuffs

b) the importance of meta-animation-cancelling. i dunno but the whole system felt and still feels more like a bug than a feature to me, but that's nowhere near as important as duration buffing for me.

[[.TPoA.] Ironsky]

Black Desert Online and SWTOR both have a combat system with far more ooompf! than this.
Animations are piss poor, and this game has quite a few parkour missions, yet the movement is on the level of some early 2000-ish game.
Been here since 2014, and it has not improved one bit. Gotta push that crown store junk somehow.

[wlkanos]

I too hated the combat system when I started playing, but eso has so much to offer that the combat system becomes a means to an end. I want to explore and farm specific gear and if I have to combat my way through it then by god I will even if the combat is clunky, eventually the combat system becomes easy and you’ll just use to to further your exploration. I hope you don’t quit.

Just out of curiosity, how would you improve it? Like DmC hack and slash? Could you explain more, please.

[EViLiSLuRKiNG]

It's most likely never going to change the game has been out how long?I don't get people who already know something is bad,don't like it,come back to try it to find out it's the same then come here to complain.

I mean more power to you,but the only ones that might care are the ones that agree with you,the rest of us aren't going to care.Combat isn't the best,neither is the story,neither are the graphics,neither are the crown store prices.

Everyone has there reason to play a game,and if yours is combat and you already played it and hated it,why did you do it again knowing you wouldn't like it and then just come here to complain about it and have it fall on deaf ears to boot.

Maybe just swallow your damn pride and enjoy a game with your girl who enjoys it,sometimes in life we do things we don't like just because someone else enjoys it!

Last combat is subjective and just because you find it bad and others agree with you doesn't mean it should be changed just for you.Millions play this game and like it and never share that,but 99% of people who dislike something will make sure the world knows!

So what ends up happening is people come across those post and think it's what most of the fan base wants,when in reality the most vocal ones are usually the ones that have a complaint not ones who love it.

[Zachism]

Why post it? just leave the game and life goes on?

[Needle]

This is a little bit older post.. Nevertheless.. i can sympathize and relate to the op's post so much. The character moves like an abslute idiot.. Have you tried jumping? Wtf is that ♥♥♥♥? I am shocked that people actually deny the clunkiness of this game.. I tried to get into this game 2 times. Both times i was absolutely put off by the clunkiness.. I guess GL & HF for those who enjoy it, but i cannot get into the game and that comes from a guy who is a big fan on Oblivion and Skyrim.. Yea.. that's my take on this issue.

[Awakened Gamer]

引用自 Blackcompany：

This could easily be my favorite game. Especially since my girl and I could play it together.

Alas, every time I try and return, I am immediately put off by stiff, dated animations, terrible, over reaching weapon collisions, endless, WoW style ability rotation and the general lack of heft and impact in the terrible, dated combat.

This game has a lot to love. Strong emphasis on questing and exploration. Solid dialogue, especially for an MMO. Tons to see and do. But every time it forces me into combat, I remember why I left for other games, because combat is far too prevalent, for it to be this dated and floaty. It NEEDS to be fixed, its holding the entire game back.

They could of easily fixed it ages ago atleast fix the weaving but of course they only care about money not the people playing.