Nerf cheats and heals at pvp

[TheS1X]

♥♥♥♥ goes too far... :D

[Wolfstorm]

I would pay for a DLC featuring a PvE Cyrodiil, full of quests related to the three-banner war, siege camps and towns on fire.

PvP just dont make any sense, you dont see the npcs in battle against each other, you dont see towns being pillaged, you dont see refugees. Theres no immersion in Cyrodiil, its just a empty province.

[Mattias]

Butthurt?

If I choose to heal a fellow player in PVP is I cheating then?

[Kidney Thief]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mattias:

Butthurt?

If I choose to heal a fellow player in PVP is I cheating then?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mattias:

Butthurt?

If I choose to heal a fellow player in PVP is I cheating then?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mattias:

Butthurt?

If I choose to heal a fellow player in PVP is I cheating then?

Do I get a prize for dumbass questions too?

[TheS1X]

I renamed Topic but i did not mean that healing is cheating. People use cheats and this is an issue with ofc, tanky healers what seems broken as ♥♥♥♥.

[Mus Canus]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -TheS1X-:

I renamed Topic but i did not mean that healing is cheating. People use cheats and this is an issue with ofc, tanky healers what seems broken as ♥♥♥♥.

As I said in another topic, healing itself is fine, blocking/shield staking itself is fine too, but when the two things combine, then it become cancer. Did a deathmatch few mins ago, it was ended by a timeout with a winnig team having 285 score. Not a single team was able to do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 34 kills in 15 minutes! What is the fun in that?

[TheS1X]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mus Canus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -TheS1X-:

I renamed Topic but i did not mean that healing is cheating. People use cheats and this is an issue with ofc, tanky healers what seems broken as ♥♥♥♥.

As I said in another topic, healing itself is fine, blocking/shield staking itself is fine too, but when the two things combine, then it become cancer. Did a deathmatch few mins ago, it was ended by a timeout with a winnig team having 285 score. Not a single team was able to do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 34 kills in 15 minutes! What is the fun in that?

hahaha! yeah, i had same BGs, those are so boooring and they feel like waste of time, rather just quit to save yourself from this crap.
And as i am no expert on how cheats and healings work, then i just try to point out that something is wrong and broken. Whatever the case is, it must be fixed or this game goes to trash eventually.

[Dubsky]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wolfstorm:

1337 PvPers spam potions and Vigor each second, even with potions having a cooldown and Vigor costing stamina. They use scripts for that, scripts that interfere with the server queues, thats why people experience so many lag.

Heals are fine, the issue is PvP which ruins everything. If they nerf heals this will affect PvE, and the scripters in Cheatodiil will have even more advantage over the other PvPers.

Dude give it a break. That's why no one likes you on the forums.

You have no knowledge about networking or systems at all, so please don't act like you know how cheats of those kinds work.

[Wolfstorm]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -TheS1X-:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mus Canus:

As I said in another topic, healing itself is fine, blocking/shield staking itself is fine too, but when the two things combine, then it become cancer. Did a deathmatch few mins ago, it was ended by a timeout with a winnig team having 285 score. Not a single team was able to do ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 34 kills in 15 minutes! What is the fun in that?

hahaha! yeah, i had same BGs, those are so boooring and they feel like waste of time, rather just quit to save yourself from this crap.
And as i am no expert on how cheats and healings work, then i just try to point out that something is wrong and broken. Whatever the case is, it must be fixed or this game goes to trash eventually.

Pointing broken things will make the cheating clique nervous. Their edifice of lies is very fragile.

Fact is, ZOS cant implement a anti-cheat software, because this would return false positives for harmless addons.

The only thing that can be done is to create PvE versions of both Cyrodiil and the battlegrounds, with the exact same rewards, and let PvP die a slow death.

[Requimatic]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von -TheS1X-:

And as i am no expert on how cheats and healings work

No one's cheating, trust me. I've come in here and explained to n00bstorm how this works before, so I won't do it again, but I will simply say this:

If you are PvPing in anything but Heavy Armor, you will get destroyed.

If you're PvPing with anything that doesn't include at least one bar dedicated to Sword & Shield with defensive skills and healing on it, you will get destroyed.

The main problem in PvP is that people are able to cap their resistances, get as much Critical Resistance as possible, and stack decent damage on top of it.. so folks who gear themselves strictly for damage (ie: full light or medium armor) walk in to BGs, or Cyrodiil, and get pooped on by tanks all day long.

The only time this isn't the case is in sub-50 BGs, where you can actually do well with a full set of Light/Medium armor, and also have some defensive capability as well. But if you stand there and dodge roll out of piddly attacks, or fall for CC breaks, etc., you're going to run out of resources in just a few seconds and end up dead.

Baiting your target in to using up their Stamina is very much part of the meta, and a lot of people don't understand that at all. Sprinting, Dodge Rolling, Break Free, Blocking.. all uses Stamina. So do most of your abilities, if you're playing a Stamina build.

Don't forget that there's also Stamina/Magicka draining Poisons, which are also pretty popular for this very reason. There's also Minor/Major Defile on an unhealthy amount of abilities, which reduces your healing by.. 10 and 30% respectively? if I remember correctly.

Now, as for people seemingly having "infinite healing".. it's because they manage their resources well. They don't waste Stamina/Magicka on trying to absolutely nuke a target.. they just CC you, make you use up your resources, and then kill you with, at most, 3 damaging abilities, light attacks, and heavy attacks. (Possibly Bleeds and other passives as well, but that's on a case-by-case basis.)

There's also Weapon Pots that not only restore ~7k Stamina when used, but also grant you:

* Major Brutality (+20% Weapon Damage)
* Major Savagery (+Critical chance)
* Major Endurance (+20% Stamina regeneration)

..for 40+ seconds, and with the Alchemy passives can be chained indefinitely for as long as you have those potions. My Necro has over 600 of them on hand at all times. There's also a version with the same stats, but for Magicka.


So, to sum it up, it's mostly a "learn to play better" issue for most people. Once you have the basics down.. such as what abilities you're going to use for damage, and what utility & defensive abilities work best for you.. you have to start thinking about maximizing your available stats (Physical/Spell Resistances, Critical Resistances), and go from there.

I'd also suggest playing in CP-disabled PvP, because CP does nothing but complicate PvP waaaayyyy more than it needs to. If they decide to keep the CP system at all, I hope they disable it for all forms of PvP so balance can get a little better across the board.

[Wolfstorm]

Dont listen to this people. They will point you to Alcast videos (which are monetized), and you will lose time grinding for that stuff in the game, just to be one-shoted in Cheatodiil.

I have a tank with 40k resistances and she dies with three hits in BGs, and always from premade teams, teams which usually cheat.

There are only two types of PvPers in this game: zergers and cheaters. PvP in this game consists in 40 zergers chasing a cheater around a rock or inside a tower, and the cheater healing automatically below certain %, then killing 10 zergers with a single blow.

The cheaters also cast three or four abilities in half a second, which is not possible even with macros. I remember one of my characters died from three dizzying swings after having contact for half a second with one of these players. Detail: there was no animation of these dizzying swings.

The cheating clique will talk about animation cancelling, but this only works with light attacks. For abilities, there is a global cooldown, and here is where they use memory hacks.

You will lose your time grinding for monster sets in veteran dungeons, which you dont need to play the game normally, and will be useless against the cheaters.

[Darth Morena]

And I think the people who killed you Wolfstorm just have good skill. For example, I don't use no cheats. When I see my health is low I use potions or coagulating blood+purge+regeneration or steadfast ward+blessing of protection+regeneration. Also I always try to keep burning embers active on many players what grants me many heals. Also I can kill many players with my ultimates if these players have little hp and|or resists. And I've played these game for 1245 hors but I've never seen players who use 3-4 abilities in 1/2 a second. Probably you just faced many enemy players and each of then use 1 ability a second. Also there are some debuffs which can decrease your resistance.

[TheS1X]

I believe there are lots of people who use scripts because there is a history with miats addon for example. If zos does not track cheats, then most likely people are using such cheats.
BUT, there is problem with some classes that can build some very crazy broken builds, impossible to kill with almost endless sustain.

For example, i fight with a templar, we are almost equal, both are kind of low with pools.
I stun him at the end and try to do as much damage with my last resources but he clearly survives that, heals him self full with less than a second and weirdly his pools are full but i, as nightblade can now ♥♥♥♥ off because i have nothing such from my pockets.

[Dubsky]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wolfstorm:

Dont listen to this people.

Grow up kid and accept that you're not a good PvP player.

You convey people into your delusional picture that every player in ESO is a blatant cheater.
And those who oppose your opinion are just people who cheat themselves.

You lack knowledge in every fashion, from networking to programming, from deducing to making sense out of something.

The one thing that you lack the most: Insight, accepting that people are simply better than you.

You sound like a childich kid that never learnt accepting things. You fight against everyone who isn't supporting you.

"They will point you to Alcast videos (which are monetized)"
• What does this have to do with cheating? Nothing. He is just a big social figure within the ESO community who build up his own network. He is doing it great and he helps the community to grow.

"I have a tank with 40k resistances and she dies with three hits in BGs, and always from premade teams, teams which usually cheat. "
• Well, I do not. I can go on 20 kill killingsprees without any problems on different chars. How you know they cheat? Did they tell you? You're just bad at it.

"The cheating clique will talk about animation cancelling, but this only works with light attacks, for abilities there is a global cooldown, and here is where they use memory hacks. "
• Do you even know how those type of cheats work?

"You will lose your time grinding for monster sets in veteran dungeons, which you dont need to play the game normally, and will be useless against the cheaters."
• That's your delusional opinion. I have no problems in PvP, not a single one.

[Wolfstorm]

The cheating clique gets angry when we tell the truth. Like I said, their edifice of lies about "builds" and grinding is fragile. They need to insult, ban and censor those who tell the truth.

If a cheater have skill, is with programming, since they need to code their hacks. But most cheaters buy their scripts from third parties.

You see, they have to pay to play against other players, basically pay to win. Thats why PvP in ESO is a pointless waste of time. It should be dumped to the ground, for the good of the community. The best way to do this is for the devs to release more content, like PvE versions of both Cyrodiil and the battlegrounds, and then let the PvP versions rot. The devs need to stop listening to PvPers when "balancing" classes, because this breaks PvE builds, good builds which are useful for something.

A PvE version of Cyrodiil would have war quests. The delves there have hard npcs, the type you only find in Craglorn. This would add value to the game. Battlegrounds PvE could be similar to Maelstrom Arena, but with four players. Just imagine the possibilities for RP.

If you want to do veteran content, do it for the challenge. Those monster sets will not make any difference in PvP. In Cheatodiil you fight against scripters. They have infinite magicka, infinite stamina and automatic heals. They cast three abilities in place of one, and they dont need to care about resources, because its infinite, thanks to the hacks.

But remember, they paid for these tools. You dont.

[Dubsky]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Wolfstorm:

The cheating clique gets angry when we tell the truth. Like I said, their edifice of lies about "builds" and grinding is fragile. They need to insult, ban and censor those who tell the truth.

That's exactly what I just said. Everyone who opposes you is a cheater in your sight.
Just delusional, how sad.

You never argue with facts or deep arguments, just your personal opinion that you sell as "truth".