Zenimax making money selling or using our personal and private information?

[Nike-Ajax]

In one of the latest in a series of "patches", I was astounded by being forced to accept a new user agreement.
In which I was forced to submit to letting Zenimax "share" my information with third parties.

To me at least, then this is disgusting and just the last in a long line of offences against our collective and my own privacy.

I can literally see NO rational need for these informations to be collected let alone shared. Save to sell it to third parties and/or use it themselves as part of Big Data. To map or perhaps rather to milk, prospective customers.

To "create content" for the customer ... BS !

To make money for the holders of information..... Of me and everyone else. Cookies are not made to serve the consumer, but to manipulate them.

Now I wonder: is it only me who sees things this way ... ?

[quarre]

Chill out, man. This "sharing" is about they can store your private information on drives in data-centers, not on their own flash drive, they hold in someone's pants. By accepting this, you agree with that. Because, you know, they dont own servers or data-centers. They rent those from "third party" companies.
Sorry about my bad english.

P.S. Have you read Agreement of Steam? :)

[Nike-Ajax]

Your english is fine, nothing lost in translation.

I have read the agreement of Steam, which is just more of the same and enforces my point.
Not a big surprise as Steam/Valve probably havent made any real money on their old games in years ... so they have to get their money from somewhere... like Steam

Have you really read Zenimax user agreement?

[quarre]

Only for the first time about 3 years ago. After thats i like "meh, minor changes..."
Its not just because I'm too lazy, its about english is not my native and if they'll use any special law language, i wont get it anyways.
What kind of information they can milk from my ESO gameplay? My real name? I'm okay with it. Where do i live? No problem here. Russia, Moscow. My bank card? I use it many times per day, everywhere.
My costumes preferences? Cool! That i wont buy Morrowind Deluxe because i dont like their horse? Whatevah.

[Nike-Ajax]

The thing is that they tie your information together with all the other information.

From Facebook for instance, which also sells information about you. Its good that you feel that the world is a good and benevolent place.

And that you are not afraid of being manipulated.

The thing is that they tie all the factual information together with your IP adress.

Its like going to bed with another person:

You might trust the person yopu are sleeping with. But if you dont protect yourself, then you both are in fact going to bed with all the persons you have ever had unprotected .... woohoo ... with.

And THAT analogy is actually fitting.

You might trust Zenimax, Valve, Facebook, Apple etc.

But do you trust the ones they sell your information to .... ?

And for reference ... try checking out some of the companies, and especially their political and moral standpoint ... and ask yourself again if you are OK with trusting them with your Virtual self...?

Because in the 21. century then control of your virtual self means control of your actual self...

[quarre]

My Virtual self is: Steam/Valve, Zenimax (ESO)/CCP (EVE Online), Google, few pornosites and galleries, torrent tracker to download newest Empowered comics ~3 times per year (20$ for Vol. is okay, but 4$ for 20 pages semi-special? fck 'em), few webcomics like dead Exterminatus Now, dead Purple ♥♥♥♥♥, still alive Girl Genius, semi-dead Broken Plot Device and sometimes something else.
If they wanna offer me something new, why not? Ubisoft already spent their trust limit with their 60$ ♥♥♥♥♥♥ No Hodor, and EA already spent their trust limit with The Sims 4 which is sux.

[kip]

Zenimax are not selling our information.

To quote Gina -
"we will never sell your information and there are no plans to add in-game advertising to ESO. The updated privacy policy gives us the ability to better provide you with more personalized updates and new information on the game."

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3926316#Comment_3926316

Also, you weren't forced to accept the TOS, you could have chosen to quit the game instead if it really bothers you that much.

[Nike-Ajax]

"Also, you weren't forced to accept the TOS, you could have chosen to quit the game instead if it really bothers you that much."

That is not a choice as I have already paid for it. Fairly simple concept to grasp I should think.

And also who cares what "Gina" says. IF they actually meant that, then they could just have WRITTEN IT IN THE TOS !

Which they didnt. So what "Gina" says is more a general non-legally binding fluffy idea...

ALSO ... IF you are going to drop a quote to validate your feelings ... then be sure to drop ALL of it:

" "OS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hey guys, just to clear things up here, we will never sell your information and there are no plans to add in-game advertising to ESO. The updated privacy policy gives us the ability to better provide you with more personalized updates and new information on the game."

As someone who's played ESO since launch, I must call B.S. on that statement.
I've heard ZOS representatives state things then backpedal on their statements a year+ down the line.

I think if ZOS had a motto it would probably be "Never say never!" or something along those lines."


You OWN quote calls BS on your conclusions ...

"gives us the ability to better provide you with more personalized updates and new information on the game"

BS !!!

What "personalized update" could you conceivably need or want for a game like this? And "new information" is put out there openly and for all players to see and digest.
The arguments doesnt support Zenimax claim. At all.

[shuro che ko]

i just read your title and bamm im hitting i agree just as i do with the agreement.

[quarre]

Originally posted by Nike-Ajax:

BlahBlahBlah

I paid 60$ for No Hodor of FKUsoft, game is sh!t, i stopped played it. Cant ask for Refund because had more than 2 hours there, but whatevah. Deleted from Library.

And ESO is waaaay cheaper. And if you play there from launch, its like 5$ per year?

[Nike-Ajax]

Originally posted by kasmemoro:

Originally posted by Nike-Ajax:

BlahBlahBlah

I paid 60$ for No Hodor of FKUsoft, game is sh!t, i stopped played it. Cant ask for Refund because had more than 2 hours there, but whatevah. Deleted from Library.

And ESO is waaaay cheaper. And if you play there from launch, its like 5$ per year?

Hmmm ... Not sure I follow you. BUT Gold version which is the one I bought is 49,99€. Pretty normal and standard for a game, but not cheap.

Added to which is 10,99€. Per Month - for the cheapest option. IF you choose to pay it, because you can easily play it without subscription.

[quarre]

You can easily play it even without those 4 DLCs from Gold, you know. And if you're using subscription, 4 DLC pack (Gold Ed.) is 4 months of sub crowns.
For now, you can easily find basic edition for 11$ for non-Steam and 12$ for Steam. Keys, not accounts. Gold Ed. for 26$ non-Steam and 36$ Steam. All region-free, of course.

[Requimatic]

"Big Data"... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol.

Seriously, get rid of the tinfoil cap. It's not like you're going to end up with salesmen at your door trying to sell you ♥♥♥♥ because your PC specs were collected and sold to whoever.

[Trigger]

INTERNET = Information Highway

[Nike-Ajax]

Originally posted by Requimatic:

"Big Data"... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lol.

Seriously, get rid of the tinfoil cap. It's not like you're going to end up with salesmen at your door trying to sell you ♥♥♥♥ because your PC specs were collected and sold to whoever.

Thats exactly what will happen actually. And already are. Except that in the real world that will happen with online bargains usually.

Who cares what you think, feel and mean. You are but a number, and your opinion will not undo any part of the actual factual reality we live in.
And the tinfoil hat you can stuff in whatever one of your orifice´s, you deem it will do the most use in.

And its not as if it is a secret conspiracy: Big Data and Data mining are hardly new concepts for anyone. Nor is selling and trading of information.

Except for you it would seem.

[Nike-Ajax]

Originally posted by Trigger:

INTERNET = Information Highway

Perhaps in the 90´s and 00´s. Not so much today.

Today its more Information Exchange and Realization of Marketing possibilities. And trying to make money off it.
Its a no-brainer really: just look at the Stockexchanges .... the market value of Facebook to just name one, is proportional to its earning potential.

Current rate today is 141,22 USD, and they could hit $1Trillion in the next few years ... And made $8.81 billion in Revenue, just in last quarter.

Facebook doesnt make money of subscriptions. So they made almost 9 billions dollas in advertising in ONE quarter of a year... ?

Do I need to draw a picture with crayons ... ?