Is ESO Dying?

[Raika]

I ask this because On Steams stats page @ http://store.steampowered.com/stats/ the numbers aren't that very impressive for a game that won Player's Choice Awards - The Best MMO of 2016 at mmorpg.com. Even the SE of Skyrim is out ranking ESO.

Granted not everyone plays on Steam, I know! But why does ZOS still refuses to release the stat database to the public for all to see? What do they have to hide if theirs so many people still playing the game? I would love to see how many players on Consoles still play ESO. Is their such a database that shows the statistics?

[Matt & the Cat]

Its actually on a steady rise. yeah there are some pits after every peak but it seems to peak +25-70% after every pit. Not every player plays from steam as well. the players on steamcharts are probably, just my freeball estimate here, 1/3 to 1/6 of the overall playerbase of that timeframe.

[God]

Nguyên văn bởi sergykid:

this game is not dead, but feels dead. This game lacks trolls, jokers, fun people to play with. For now i have like 160 hours ingame, and i can only remember @5 people who i had fun with. Chat is always empty, nobody jokes, nobody laughs, nobody trolls.

the game has much fun in it, deep emote system, many fun items, but none use them, everyone is boring for me. I just do quests alone :)

Basically you are blaming the game for your own fault, which is not being able to find a good guild.

[JumbaWumba]

Nguyên văn bởi sergykid:

this game is not dead, but feels dead. This game lacks trolls, jokers, fun people to play with. For now i have like 160 hours ingame, and i can only remember @5 people who i had fun with. Chat is always empty, nobody jokes, nobody laughs, nobody trolls.

the game has much fun in it, deep emote system, many fun items, but none use them, everyone is boring for me. I just do quests alone :)

That really depends on what zone you are in, and if you join guilds (can join up to 5). My EP char always has conversations and jokes. Always see people messing with others.

Did you accidentally turn off zone chat?

[sergykid]

no, i often talk in zone chat, i don't really like guilds because they mean responsability

[quarre]

Responsabilities like what? I have 5 guilds. Turned off chats in 4 trading guilds and left only one, with guild i like. I dont care what are they doing, i dont care what are they talking, i give zero ducks about them. If no guild trader noticed, i can leave those in a second and /z for another one. No responsability at all, but some of them may ask you for weekly fee or minimal trading (7% of all your tading comes to guild bank) to hire a trader.

Most of talkings are concentrated in guilds. Why would you talk in /z messing with randoms while you can have ~500 people to talk with privately? Max guild population is 500, but average online is about 15-20% of it.

Game is not dead. But players espect your right for quiet (not mention /z requests like "help with *placeholder* worldboss) and not turning it in another Jita (if you ever played in EVE Online).

[JumbaWumba]

Nguyên văn bởi sergykid:

no, i often talk in zone chat, i don't really like guilds because they mean responsability

There are no responsibilities in a guild. Some say you have to pay weekly, or participate in certain events, but you can easily leave those.

This isn't like other MMOs, where you have to work with your guild, otherwise the guild fails and disbands.

[God]

Nguyên văn bởi Bonnett88:

Nguyên văn bởi sergykid:

no, i often talk in zone chat, i don't really like guilds because they mean responsability

There are no responsibilities in a guild. Some say you have to pay weekly, or participate in certain events, but you can easily leave those.

This isn't like other MMOs, where you have to work with your guild, otherwise the guild fails and disbands.

In my experience, guilds with responsibilities are much much better than others. For example Im in a guild which doesn't have any requirements and in that guilds store I cant find a lot of things and my items doesnt sell fast. In the other guild however you have to sell 25k worth of items everyweek and the store is insane. There isn't any people who don't contribute to the guild in guilds that requires high responsibilities so that means there are 500 people who constantly trade stuff. Also since everyone is active, chat is also active.

[Wo1f]

Nguyên văn bởi God:

Nguyên văn bởi Bonnett88:

There are no responsibilities in a guild. Some say you have to pay weekly, or participate in certain events, but you can easily leave those.

This isn't like other MMOs, where you have to work with your guild, otherwise the guild fails and disbands.

In my experience, guilds with responsibilities are much much better than others. For example Im in a guild which doesn't have any requirements and in that guilds store I cant find a lot of things and my items doesnt sell fast. In the other guild however you have to sell 25k worth of items everyweek and the store is insane. There isn't any people who don't contribute to the guild in guilds that requires high responsibilities so that means there are 500 people who constantly trade stuff. Also since everyone is active, chat is also active.

the whole "having to be in a trading guild to sell anything" is stupid, i am not a wholeseale trader who can sell 25k worth of stuff a week, not can i pay 10k minimum for being in a large trade guild, i just want to sell an item or two i find every now and then so i guess im ♥♥♥♥ out of luck there, imo there should not be the guild reqirement at all, just an auction house like in other mmos.

[sergykid]

yeah, being forced to be in a good trading guild in order to sell stuff it's stupid. I just vendor most of the stuff, like ingots, things to improve to rare/epic, other crafting materials, just because i don't need and in /z chat also nobody needs.

But now see from the other side, what could they do? implementing an auction house will just ruin the guild traders. Maybe open personal mini stands? Like open a carpet or something somewhere where you pay rent. Like a big marketplace with stuff made from players

[God]

I don't understand how you think what I said is stupid. I will keep it simple:

There is a guild of 500 people. If you don't put rules, more than half of the players will not sell or buy stuff. There will be people who stay afk for weeks or some of them even leave the game and eventually the guild will not have enough donations. When that happens, guild can't afford to get guild store npc's, which will also ruin the income of the guild. In the end, it will become a dead guild with no money and no active players.

There is another guild of 500 players. It puts rules so that every member must either donate, sell or buy thus with every transaction, the guild gets money. Then guild becomes really active and rich. Then guild buys npcs and grows. When that happens, that guilds store will be filled with items that you can find lots of things which can't be found in normal guilds. Also, members will be able to reach the guild store with store npcs in the important parts of the maps and with them people that are not in the guild will also buy items from the npcs so guild will grow even more since people can find lots of items in the store so they will choose to buy from the guild even though they are not a member.

If you want to just sell 1-2 things when you want, just join a basic guild, its logical for you. But if you are like me who has thousands of items, those guilds are not useful. My selling list is full in 3 guilds and the basic guild that I'm a member of just doesn't sell at all so thats why I joined a big one in which the items that I put sells pretty fast.

It's just like real life, when there is a demand, there is a service for that specific demand.

If you are saying that there should be a general auction house that doesn't require guilds, I would agree since then I could sell my items really fast and the prices would be stable. But I'm not experienced enough to know if it would be better than this system.

[JumbaWumba]

Nguyên văn bởi God:

I don't understand how you think what I said is stupid. I will keep it simple:

There is a guild of 500 people. If you don't put rules, more than half of the players will not sell or buy stuff. There will be people who stay afk for weeks or some of them even leave the game and eventually the guild will not have enough donations. When that happens, guild can't afford to get guild store npc's, which will also ruin the income of the guild. In the end, it will become a dead guild with no money and no active players.

There is another guild of 500 players. It puts rules so that every member must either donate, sell or buy thus with every transaction, the guild gets money. Then guild becomes really active and rich. Then guild buys npcs and grows. When that happens, that guilds store will be filled with items that you can find lots of things which can't be found in normal guilds. Also, members will be able to reach the guild store with store npcs in the important parts of the maps and with them people that are not in the guild will also buy items from the npcs so guild will grow even more since people can find lots of items in the store so they will choose to buy from the guild even though they are not a member.

If you want to just sell 1-2 things when you want, just join a basic guild, its logical for you. But if you are like me who has thousands of items, those guilds are not useful. My selling list is full in 3 guilds and the basic guild that I'm a member of just doesn't sell at all so thats why I joined a big one in which the items that I put sells pretty fast.

It's just like real life, when there is a demand, there is a service for that specific demand.

If you are saying that there should be a general auction house that doesn't require guilds, I would agree since then I could sell my items really fast and the prices would be stable. But I'm not experienced enough to know if it would be better than this system.

The auction house would eliminate the gold sink that guild traders are. With guilds all pouring gold into trying to rent guild traders, helps keep some prices down, since they are not hoarding gold/items and jacking up prices due to having so much money......in theory.

[God]

Nguyên văn bởi Bonnett88:

Nguyên văn bởi God:

I don't understand how you think what I said is stupid. I will keep it simple:

There is a guild of 500 people. If you don't put rules, more than half of the players will not sell or buy stuff. There will be people who stay afk for weeks or some of them even leave the game and eventually the guild will not have enough donations. When that happens, guild can't afford to get guild store npc's, which will also ruin the income of the guild. In the end, it will become a dead guild with no money and no active players.

....

The auction house would eliminate the gold sink that guild traders are. With guilds all pouring gold into trying to rent guild traders, helps keep some prices down, since they are not hoarding gold/items and jacking up prices due to having so much money......in theory.

Yeah I figured as much but I still think that there are different reasons as well since almost every mmo has a general auction house yet zenimax though this system would be better. Maybe they just wanted the game to have a deep guild system and thats all.

[Teala]

ESO dying - frak, who are all those people I keep running into where ever I go.

[Wo1f]

Nguyên văn bởi God:

I don't understand how you think what I said is stupid. I will keep it simple:

There is a guild of 500 people. If you don't put rules, more than half of the players will not sell or buy stuff. There will be people who stay afk for weeks or some of them even leave the game and eventually the guild will not have enough donations. When that happens, guild can't afford to get guild store npc's, which will also ruin the income of the guild. In the end, it will become a dead guild with no money and no active players.

There is another guild of 500 players. It puts rules so that every member must either donate, sell or buy thus with every transaction, the guild gets money. Then guild becomes really active and rich. Then guild buys npcs and grows. When that happens, that guilds store will be filled with items that you can find lots of things which can't be found in normal guilds. Also, members will be able to reach the guild store with store npcs in the important parts of the maps and with them people that are not in the guild will also buy items from the npcs so guild will grow even more since people can find lots of items in the store so they will choose to buy from the guild even though they are not a member.

If you want to just sell 1-2 things when you want, just join a basic guild, its logical for you. But if you are like me who has thousands of items, those guilds are not useful. My selling list is full in 3 guilds and the basic guild that I'm a member of just doesn't sell at all so thats why I joined a big one in which the items that I put sells pretty fast.

It's just like real life, when there is a demand, there is a service for that specific demand.

If you are saying that there should be a general auction house that doesn't require guilds, I would agree since then I could sell my items really fast and the prices would be stable. But I'm not experienced enough to know if it would be better than this system.

im most other mmos, players organize themselves into guilds in order to play together as a group which is more or less constant, and thats quite ok, but in eso instead of promoting social guilds for players to join and play toghether,
they force everyone to join trading guilds to be able to sell anything to anybody.

Now this is made even worse by the fact that trading guilds have to rent a guild store/seller/vendor (however its called) and space (i imagine its more expensive to have a guild store in major cities then in minor ones).

so the guilds that are big and active and can afford to rent space in big cities are usually the ones which have strict rules as to who can join them ( usually only big wholesale traders) which means not for people like me who dont sell alot but still need to sell some stuff here and there -> means i can not sell anything to anyone cause i cant join big trade guilds, and even if i join smaller ones, they are not as active and probably not in major cities so very few people will be looking through those stores to buy anything, so people like me will likely not be able to selll any stuff at all.

On top of all that, instead of having one big unified place to sell and buy stuff ingame, they made a mess with many many smaller places that all differ from each other in what they offer and they are not available to all players equally without jumping through hoops of finding and joining a trade guild. Why they decided that this mess was a good idea is beyond me.

think of ot this way, if the ingame crown store was such a mess where instead of opening one unified store where you can find everything you can buy in one place, what if it was done like trade guids, that you had to go from one place to another and another and another and jump through various hoops to buy anything ? Would anyone be using it ? I dont think so.

[MuddyMaps]

Nguyên văn bởi Wo1f:

Nguyên văn bởi God:

In my experience, guilds with responsibilities are much much better than others. For example Im in a guild which doesn't have any requirements and in that guilds store I cant find a lot of things and my items doesnt sell fast. In the other guild however you have to sell 25k worth of items everyweek and the store is insane. There isn't any people who don't contribute to the guild in guilds that requires high responsibilities so that means there are 500 people who constantly trade stuff. Also since everyone is active, chat is also active.

the whole "having to be in a trading guild to sell anything" is stupid, i am not a wholeseale trader who can sell 25k worth of stuff a week, not can i pay 10k minimum for being in a large trade guild, i just want to sell an item or two i find every now and then so i guess im ♥♥♥♥ out of luck there, imo there should not be the guild reqirement at all, just an auction house like in other mmos.

I got to agree. I really do not like the Auction House system in ESO.
ESO should do what WoW does with its auction houses.