Gearbox Lancia Delta integrale

[bradyZZ]

I haveproblems with the gearbox on the Lancia Delta Integrale. In the special event 10-minute hot lap I lose the gearbox before the time runs out. I get stuck in N. If I treat the transmission very carefully, it lasts a little longer, but it still gives up early. I can probably forget about longer stints. This only started happening in version 0.2. According to the changelog, the transmission damage was activated. Apparently, it's too sensitive, or I've forgotten how to shift gears after 30 years of driving and sim racing!?

Does anyone else have this problem?

[Nectaria Coutayar]

I wanted to check as your result seems weird. Here's my progress after 10 minutes with the Lancia at Fuji:

https://i.imgur.com/H0OfbiP.jpeg

Not a single point of damage. Obviously the car was driven without assists with manual clutch and gearbox. My best time was a 2 12 with room for improvement as I never driven this car before.

So either something is wrong on your end or your driving technique is faulty.

[bradyZZ]

Thanks. I don't use any assistants. Everything is off.

I use an H-shifter (Moza HGP) and a Heusinkveldt Sprint clutch. I'm also very careful with engine brake.

I assume you're using street tires.
With SC tires, I do 2:07 lap times. Of course, I could also set 2:04 times regardless of the gearbox

The result is always the same. During the session, the gearbox dies obviously. It gets stuck in N.

I'll try it more carefully this evening, on raw eggs 😉

[Nectaria Coutayar]

I used road tires indeed, did it again with the Supercar tires to see if that made any difference, but except for lap times (2 10, but I only did 30km in this car) and a more skittery feeling into T1 while braking and cornering nothing changed. Gearbox still worked like a charm.

To be honest the difference between road tires and supercar tires on this car is underwhelming. I actually feel more confident with the road tires.

[bradyZZ]

I test it with in a training stint and with different cars. before i only use cars with sequential gearbox in 0.2. The Lancia was the first run with manual H shifting.

[Nectaria Coutayar]

It's an older car, but it does have a syncromesh so even if you make tiny errors while shifting up or down, the syncromesh should help you out. I mean you don't have to blip or doubleclutch this car, it's young enough for that.

Are you sure you are pressing the clutch completely? You can check that in your pedal configuration, because if you're not than obviously the gearbox won't be happy.

[bradyZZ]

Thnx for your help.

Just did a few laps.
15 min. training, same track and conditions: no failure
twice the special event: no failure
then I torture the gearbox (shift in 1st at 200 km/h) a while: no failure
30 min.
Free race: failure at lap 8!!

I noticed that three times before, the downshift was delayed. Probably downshifted too early. There's no sound, no display. After half a second, the gear is there.

There seems to be a damage model active for the gearbox. Even though you can torture it endlessly, and immediatly it can still die.

I'll keep an eye on it and test other car and track combinations.

[KillingArts]

Yeah, it definitely seems odd. I'm a total sim racing beginner and noob. But it's not like I've never driven a car before.

I tried to do a race weekend with the Honda S2000. I even had automatic gearbox activated because I had these problems earlier. Nevertheless, didn't work. The game wanted me to shift myself. Alright, I did that. Without the clutch then. I shifted very carefully and was careful with the throttle and got through qualifying. But during the main race, it always happened. Sometimes on the last lap, which was quite frustrating. I didn't think I did something different when it happened. Seemed random to me.

Sometimes it even happened when shifting carefully into second at the very start of the race. I think this can't be right. I actually gave up the weekend because it eventually always happened, and did one with the Golf, because automatic gearbox works with that one. ^^

By the way, I got 22000$ for 6th place after qualifying, and then only 300$ for finishing 1st place. That also can't be right... xD

[Nectaria Coutayar]

I did a 10 lap quick race around Imola - not the most gearbox friendly circuit - and still had no issue. So my guesses range from something wrong with your hardware or simracing equipment over driving technique over completely unknown reason, but I can't help you any further.

[bradyZZ]

Thnx Nectaria Coutayar
With Alfa 75 same problem.
Driver problems (moza) possible. I will test it. However, the errors always occur after a few laps. Not at the start, and upon restarting, the failure ist gone. Not all cars are affected. This doesn't indicate a problem with hardware or drivers.
Driving style unlikely but maybe. nevertheless it is strange that you can torture the gearbox for laps without damage.
Also kunos could give us more information about the damage modell and some indications in the HUD

[KillingArts]

So, I just bought the Lotus Evora and tried it out - no issues whatsoever. Gearbox intact after a quick race with 6 laps.

[Nectaria Coutayar]

Originally posted by KillingArts:

So, I just bought the Lotus Evora and tried it out - no issues whatsoever. Gearbox intact after a quick race with 6 laps.

The more recent the car, the more forgiving gearboxes have become. If you could try one of the older cars like Ford Cosworth, Alfa 75, Lancia Delta, stuff like that, that would be more helpful, as they don't have protection on downshifts like the Evora has.

[bradyZZ]

Ford Crossworth no failure in a 20 min race.
So far affected: Lancia Delta, Alfa 75

I assume a few early shiftdowns as a result gear blocks for a moment.
Otherwise the gearbox can bei tortured without any issue.

[Partizan]

Moza HGP here. No problems with the Moza driver. No problems with the gearboxes.
You have to be very careful with these cars. Most likely you just didn't work the clutch correctly a couple of times. Sometimes it's enough to release the pedal at the wrong time or not spin it up for a lower gear, and the gearbox will fly off right away. Start releasing the pedal only after the gearbox clicks and may the force be with you! :-)

[bradyZZ]

Thnx Partisan. I will try it more carefully. But the damage model (ist there anything active??) is strange. Why can be tortured the gearbox (for example shift in first at 200 kmh) without any problems??

[KillingArts]

Shifting seems buggy in general to me, now that I've played a little more.

I noticed in the license challenges there are some where automatic gearbox works and some where it doesn't. I thought that's most likely part of the challenge and totally fine. But then in the third one (hypercars?) I cannot even get going. I can't shift into gear 1. Doesn't matter if I try with clutch or without. The settings don't matter. I again tried with and without automatic clutch. Automatic start clutch or whatever it's called also doesn't matter. Has anyone had the same issue there?

Clutch doesn't seem to work in general for me. I set it to automatic clutch off because I wanted do it all manually, and it still does it automatically. I just need to shift. Clutch doesn't do anything (yes, it is assigned).

Am I misunderstanding something horribly here or what is going on?