No hardware RT? Really?

[BRAN]

Using software reflections etc..., not so sure, if that is a missed opportunity, Kunos.

[Seco46]

BRAN původně napsal:

PAWNSTAR původně napsal:

Of this List which of these games have been a step Foward in Ray Tracing Developement
& Surpasses the Original Cyberpunk 2077 implementation back when 2000 series was released

A Plague Tale: Requiem
Alan Wake 2
Amid Evil
Ash Echoes
Atomic Heart
Avatar: Frontiers Of Pandora
Battlefield V
Battlefield 2042
Black Myth: Wukong
Bright Memory
Bright Memory: Infinite
Call Of Duty: Black Ops Cold War
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (2019)
Chernobylite
Chorus
Control
Crysis Remastered
Crysis Remastered Trilogy
Cyberpunk 2077
Dead Space (2023)
Deathloop
Deliver Us The Moon
Desordre: A Puzzle Game Adventure
Diablo IV
Dirt 5
Doom Eternal
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
Dragon's Dogma 2
Dying Light 2
EA Sports: F1 24
Echo Point Nova
Elden Ring
Everspace 2
Evotinction
F1 2021
F1 22
Far Cry 6
FIST: Forged In Shadow Torch
Five Nights At Freddy's: Security Breach
Forspoken
Fortnite
Forza Horizon 5
Forza Motorsport
Ghostrunner
Ghostrunner 2
Ghostwire: Tokyo
Gotham Knights
Godfall
Gori: Cuddly Carnage
Gripper
Halo Infinite
Hell Pie
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice
Hello Neighbor 2
Hitman: World of Assassination
Homeworld 3
Icarus
Indiana Jones and the Great Circle
Industria
Jurassic World Evolution 2
Justice
JX Online 3
Kunitsu-Gami: Path of the Goddess
Lego: Builder's Journey
Lego Horizon Adventures
Layers of Fear (2023)
Loopmancer
Martha is Dead
Marvel’s Guardians of the Galaxy
Marvel's Midnight Suns
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales
Mechwarrior V: Mercenaries
Metro Exodus / Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Microsoft Flight Simulator 24
Minecraft (Bedrock Edition)
Moonlight Blade
Mortal Shell
Myst
Naraka: Bladepoint
Observer: System Redux
Paradise Killer
Portal with RTX
Pumpkin Jack
Quake II RTX
Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3
Resident Evil 4
Resident Evil 7
Resident Evil Village
Returnal
Raji: An Ancient Epic
Ring Of Elysium
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Saints Row
Severed Steel
Shadow of the Tomb Raider
Skull and Bones
Silent Hill 2
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor
Star Wars Outlaws
Stay in the Light
Steelrising
Sword and Fairy 7
Synced
The Ascent
The Fabled Woods
The Finals
The First Descendant
The Lord of the Rings: Gollum
The Medium
The Persistence
The Riftbreaker
The Witcher III: Wild Hunt - Game of the Year Edition
Turbo Sloths
War Thunder
Watch Dogs Legion
Warhammer 40,000: Darktide
Wolfenstein: Youngblood
World Of Warcraft: Shadowlands
Wrench
Wuthering Waves
Xuan-Yuan Sword VII

BRAN Name 10 Titles in the list the that surpasses or you think is does raytracing better than The Golden Child Cyberpunk 2077, how many are esports titles? not single player short little tech demos that has no replayabilty? (Shallow Gameplay)

I can only name 2.... we havent really evolved as such

I mean you did say Forza Motorsports is the best SIM racing game ....
While the other Said Star Wars outlaws is the best looking game...
but enlighten us all

Do you think COD & BF franchise Focus on RT Graphics to build their communities
or they established it through developing it over decades

But then you maxed out everything on your PC with ultra max graphics but play at 30 FPS and think is acceptable and a good experience.

There will be a point in Time where Raytracing/Path tracing Halves your Performance , you use DLSS or frame Gen to bring it back to acceptable experience which adds anomalies & destroyed Image Quality in the process.... just for shadows lighting and reflection (Not that you have enough time to appreciate it in a Racing Game in the first place)

Forza Horizon 5 Vs Forza Motorsports
What You said makes me believe your a control pad user, as no one who has tried them on any steering wheel would of said what you have said

So heres an easy question for you what feels better 30fps or 144fps in a racing game or a first person shooter?

Oh no, not such easy questions.
What feels better 30FPS or 144FPS? The faster the better.
Now counter question: What looks better, Full HD oder 5k 21:9?^^
It is all a matter of preferences and availability. SPEED or QUALITY?

I prefer quality.

If 144fps is at the cost of most of them being invented, adding a lot of input lag to the experience, I prefer 30fps.

Seriously, Frame generator is the worst thing for a racing game.

[flibityjibbit]

Nvidia marketing can't make a game good.
RT, DLSS, MFG, again, can't make a game good.
And neither will arguing about their inclusion in a title.

All these things are silly to talk about until we have a game in our hands, as they can all be implemented later if necessary.

But then I would say that as I'm a VR driver & raster performance is all that really counts to me.

*Edit

Oh..... and not one of those games in that ridiculous list were made better or worse by RT, DLSS or FG (MFG).

[Pacino]

People really need to look up what early access is before making threads like these. It's getting silly.

[PAWNSTAR]

You are correct we wont know until we get it into a hot little hands....

But its funny to listen to BRAN rant and say Forza Motorsports is the best Sim game out there, without being able to name 10 games that have surpassed the Golden Chilld first RT Tech Demo Cyberpunk 2077

telling me about quality when he plays on LG5k (5120x2160)
and i play on 7680x2160 or 7680 x 1440 triples
and for 50 years of gaming Nothing ever beats Pure Native Rasterization

its just a weird 4000 5000 series flex you will see in every Gaming Forum on steam from various Users... im one of those users, but can say its overated and a placebo effect, others will Advertise it like a shill even though it hasnt evolved
Perfecftly acceptable in single player games with narratives that you can take the time to admire and smell the roses...
But almost absolutely redundant in a Fast Pace Driving game

as if the forza motorsports comment in the first place didnt throw ya to begin with but he thought that was QUALITY ... each to their own

[Pacino]

PAWNSTAR původně napsal:

You are correct we wont know until we get it into a hot little hands....

But its funny to listen to BRAN rant and say Forza Motorsports is the best Sim game out there, without being able to name 10 games that have surpassed the Golden Chilld first RT Tech Demo Cyberpunk 2077

telling me about quality when he plays on LG5k (5120x2160)
and i play on 7680x2160 or 7680 x 1440 triples
and for 50 years of gaming Nothing ever beats Pure Native Rasterization

its just a weird 4000 5000 series flex you will see in every Gaming Forum on steam from various Users... im one of those users, but can say its overated and a placebo effect, others will Advertise it like a shill even though it hasnt evolved
Perfecftly acceptable in single player games with narratives that you can take the time to admire and smell the roses...
But almost absolutely redundant in a Fast Pace Driving game

as if the forza motorsports comment in the first place didnt throw ya to begin with but he thought that was QUALITY ... each to their own

I think ray tracing is good for screenshots and the showroom but aside from that, I agree it's a bit of a waste in general gameplay. The funny thing about Forza Motorsport is that even running at full pelt with all the RT enabled I still don't think it looks all that great. I'd say GT7 still looks better. That's before I start complaining about the weird handling physics and actual gameplay. As I've already mentioned though, the game isn't even available yet but already I've seen threads moaning about price (not confirmed), final car/track tally (not confirmed) and graphical features (not confirmed). I'm not even shilling the game but the lack of common sense on Steam is staggering.

[BRAN]

Pawnstar is ALWAYS quoting incorrectly...I said best performing/looking, that does NOT mean best Sim game.
So pawnstar, what do you think? For now, I like AC EVO, but best looking/performing sim crown still doesn't go to AC EVO.