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I hear you. I've watched like 5 reviews of the CAMMUS DDWB 15Nm in the last hour, people comparing it to the Simagic alpha mini and every single review has said that the 10nm alpha mini is the better DD wheel, even though weaker in torque. Everyone says it has more refined and detailed FFB. I think so far the alpha mini seems to be the one that stands out for me. It makes it an easier choice seeing as the specific wheel and pedals I want are also in the simagic ecosystem. Unless I can find anything better in the 10nM range in the next month, I have a feeling the alpha mini is the one
I recently went from Logitech g920, to Moza r9 base with ES wheel, I bought the Bodnar usb adaptor for the pedals and a 7+Reverse shifter off Ali Express. After using for a couple of months I have decided the pedals will be the next thing to get upgraded. But like you, it has allowed me to upgrade when funds allow it as I go.
https://www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=187
if thats what you are willing to go with, you likely won't be disappointed
the only consideration you may want to make is, as much as I hate the brand due to their ♥♥♥♥ software, logitech, if you also want console support, you are able to get their direct drive base thats compatible with one console and the wheel thats compatible with another and it works on both, granted I cant think of
every video I have watched so far, and people I know who make sim racing a job, turn the force feedback down from their high end wheels to around 3-12nm, I think that at 10nm you would probably run it at about 50-80% most of the time anyway.
That's true, I've even seen some big name sim content creators say they turn their 15+nM DD wheels down to around 4nM just because that feels best. I think 10nM should be a good middle ground, and even if I turn it down it's always nice to have a little head room just in case.
As for console compatibility, it's not necessary for my needs. I do have a PS4 gathering dust, which I used to use years ago to play Driveclub, Fifa, etc, but I never really used it anymore, it's all PC.
Just wanted to say a BIG thank you to everyone who commented and gave me advice in this thread. It helped me a lot alongside watching youtube reviews. Unless anything changes and something else pops up that is better for the price, I think I'm going to go with the Simagic alpha mini with one of their round wheels.
Sepas
But i will say coming from a logitech, I'm sure any wheel with a washing machine motor would be a huge upgrade. ;)
I bought the Fanatec CSL DD bundle a little over a year ago for about $450. It came with the 5nm DD, CSL Wheel and CSL pedals. The Fanatec bundle you list should be good especially with the upgraded pedals and stick shift. The only thing you should upgrade is a 8nm power supply. I upgraded to the Mclaron Wheel and I got a 8nm power supply from Amazon.
You will eventually find that you will need at least a wheel stand to handle the extra torque and brake force. I got the Next Level Wheel stand that is expandable so you can add a base for a seat later.
Enjoy the journey.
I haven't had the time and patience to read past page 1, so apologies if someone already mentioned things I'm about to.
I upgraded my kit just a few weeks ago myself. Came from a Thrustmastzer TX (T300) Leather Edition. Here's what I bought with some commentary:
- Fanatec CSL DD: in BUNDLE only you get the base for 200 bucks! You need to buy Fanatec wheels and pedals though. You see that in your first posted shopping cart. Just a few days later mostly out of curiosity I ordered an 180W power supply from aliexpress for around 40 bucks. Works like a charm! and you REALLY feel the difference between 5 and 8nm (esp. since the 5nm is artifically cut off while the 8nm can have higer peaks).
The difference from the TX to the DD 8nm is amazing! It finally feels somewhat like a real car and there is so much more "feeling" and "detail" (I before never understood what all the youtubers where talking about).
- CSL Steering Weel 320 V2: The CSL hub feels a little cheap, but considering the price I think it's alright. The rim feels great, although it might be a bit too big, especially since it's dampening the FFB (just because of it's size). Consider the set with the Podium R300 rim for the same price.
That set is definately better than the cheapest wheels from Fanatec which are somewhat over 100 bucks. I wouldn't recommend those (had one in hand, esp. the shifters feel even much worse).
- CSL Elite V2 pedals: They are universally loved throughout the internet and they are pretty good. I agree though that they seem a bit dated. The break is good, what I miss is more customisability on the whole set and most importantely more stiffness/dampener/whatever in the throttle and clutch (I changed them around and at least the throttle feels "ok" now, not great).
My advice: If you don't mind the additional USB-cable, just buy the cheapest 2-paddle-set from them to just get the bundle discount. Maybe sell even for a few bucks afterwards. Buy pedals like the mentioned Simsonn or sth. else (I LOVE the Simagic P1000 from everything I've seen, but they are pricier). I would NOT advise to stick to your G29-paddles, as they even lack the loadcell.
- Shifter I'm still looking around for myself. I first was into the Fanatec, in not small doses just to save the added USB, but I'm more interested in the SSH now, after reading so much about Fanatecs misshifts (and the price of that damn thing).
I like the many wheel choices with fanatec and the amazing (bundle) price of the CSL DD.
Otherwise from everything I hear my next choice would be the Simagic Alpha Mini. But then I would want the P1000 and no idea what wheel. And that all kinda feels like another upgrade into new realms of spending - and I'm not sure that's really needed. But if your heart is really more into Simagic, go with this and don't look back!
If it's close though, I think my suggestion should be quite a bit cheaper.
Then I wanted to change my rim afterwards, so I contacted the support about the right to return. Got an answer within 24h, although in english (I initially wrote them in german). The support guy was nice and tried to help, but was somewhat limited by (stupid) policies. Bc I bought a bundle I couldn't easily exchanged just the rim (despite same price). However, he offeresd me to take back the wheel bundle so I could by sth. else. Only small issue is now that it is 3 separate packages and I have to pay for sending back myself. So I have to find a way to somehow bundle it together. I have 30 days for that though after getting the RMA number.
So overall: pretty positive experience with ordering and support, not as good as it could be though.
I had ot have any software or hardware issues yet.
This just sounds crazy to me. Sure, different people, different opinions. But I had the opportunity recently to sit at a CSL 2.5 when I bought a second hand wheel, after I bought my DD. It felt way more rough and brutal (not in a good way) than my DD. Much less refined, granular and smooth. What I can imagine though: I did not spend much time with the DD at 5nm, so most of my feeling comes from the DD 8nm. I can imagine you'd be disappointed coming from the hefty feeling FFB of the 2.5 and then going to the rather soft-feeling, artificially limited, cut-off 5nm of the "standard" CSL DD.
The main issue with Fanatec for me was before the acquisition they accidently sent someone the wrong thing, a slightly upgraded version of what they bought, then they threatened to sue them for it, and required them to send it back on their own dime...
for me, that was the horror story that made me never want to deal with the brand. new management probably fixes this, but I will never be able to seperate that incident from the brand. its the main reason when I was first looking at dd wheels as an actual upgrade moza was the only thing I was considering.
but now I have a cammus c5 and i'm willing to wait for prices on dd to come down for quality or a major step forward happens.
at that point you don't need a wheel at all, people with controllers WILL be better than you, its just harder to be better with a controller.
logitech is honestly horrible at making software, getting off their platform is reason enough, and lets not pretend that depending on the game the ffb on the g29 feels like gears are slipping, the noise it makes, heat issues (that are less easy to deal with on logitech but an issue for every brand)
if you want to drift, you want 8nm logitech cant do that, you also want a round wheel, g29 is not really made for that though some people have modded different wheel types.