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Ok i went from a Fanatec DD1 Which was ♥♥♥♥ (in fact the whole Fanatec eco-system is ♥♥♥♥) to a simucube pro 2 (which is very good but very expensive) to A Moza R16 DD and i can assure you Moza is not junk! Its cheap compared to a simucube, but its very good quality, in fact the whole Eco-system is really good quality. Out of all the wheels i own, i prefer my moza, the best. To me its as good as the simucube and hands down better than Fanatec!
Moza R5 bundle is really good. Especially if you're going on a desk. The clamp is rock solid.
A lot of people say the pedals are crap but that's certainly not my experience - they are a ton better than the pedals in logitech gear based wheels. Sure, they don't have a loadcell, but if you're putting them under a desk then a load cell will tip up or slide when you try to brake.
If you have a rig and a big budget, then sure, get 10nm or so, loadcell a £400 wheel - but you'll pay your budget for the wheel just on the rig, and then at least twice the money for the hardware.
For something that's under £500 and not made of plastic - The R5 bundle is brilliant. And it's just a huge step up from gear based ffb. Smoother, quieter, stronger (I'm turning into a toilet paper advert but you get the idea)
2. you would feel a different world of immersion, feel what the car is actualy doing and have a lot more details in everything FFB related.
3. reaction time is a looooooot faster
4. DD doesn't make these "funny noises" when turning
5. DD software let's you customize your FFB sensation way more detailed to your liking (a lot of parameters you can tweak on your DD Base)
if you have a chance to "drive a DD", do it and you will throw your T150 out the window as soon as you come home
long time ago (Project Cars Time) i was like you and thought my TS-PC racer from thrustmaster (a lot better then T150) is the only thing a racer ever needs. until i tried a DD wheelbase.....never going back, no one will do so after experiencing the feel of a DD (whatever brand it is, low/mid/high-end whatever).
to sum it up: it's like going from an old TV to the newest 8K whatever TV there is. as long as you are used to the old one, you don't recognise you needed a new one. but once you saw that new picture (felt the FFB), you will for sure
but that would be pretty cool def looks better than my cheap fanatec csl wheel rim still 309$ dang thats a lot haha.
I actually started with a thrustmaster tmx, its not to bad for a entry into sim racing but it really is lacking in speed especially often to correct a slide.
I was actually fighting against the wheel base because I just turned it so much faster. I was able to tune it and get really nice detail in my opinion for what it was.
So a really big thing is the way the wheel feels in your hand the tmx is super small(same with g29) and thin and basically a hard plastic with cheaper rubber on it, my rubber is almost worn off completely (1000 hours on it)lol
(my fanatec bmw csl rim grips are not worn at all yet really and has more hours now also is much bigger and thick feels really good in the hands still plastic and has developed a crack 6 months ago)
I also did do a ball bearing mod upgrade on the tmx that kind of helped smooth it and speed it up a bit. I still have the tmx as a backup and it was just my first wheel base so I dont really want to get rid of it maybe ill try it out sometime to compare.
I also killed the thrustmaster tmx pedals within a week and upgraded to the thrustmaster TLCM load cell pedals t3pa at the time was out of stock. This was when the load cell pedals released like 5 years ago or something lol still on the same pedals but they went up in price now from 200 to 250$ so not as good of a deal these days.
I had a t300 between the tmx and fanatec csl dd 8nm and the t300 was pretty nice very smooth and almost silent a huge idk upgrade in quality feel much heavier feeling the wheel rim felt stronger still a little smaller and thinner than my fanatec wheel rim though.
The t300 was pretty nice and felt fairly strong it did have a issue after about a 30-40 minutes the power would go down about 10-20%, the fanatec csl dd 8nm did not feel like a massive step up to me at first I was actually a little disappointed, but after I got it dialed in and setup on a more solid stand it was much better.
5nm is worse than 10 nm because basically you just have to try and squeeze the same amount of data into a smaller range more or less making it so you have to turn up the low end forces to feel them at all or clip out and have a kind of dead wheel through the corners when its clipping out on the strong forces.
Some games have a nice FFB meter that shows you the trace of what forces are coming through and also has a line showing the forces that go over and dont get through because your base is clipping or not capable, you can adjust your settings so nothing goes past that clipping line but your compressing everything down to fit in that low range and kind of sacrificing detail and distinguishable difference's in the forces, and once your base is clipping nothing else is going to register, so it basically lets you dial in the feed back much better because you just have much more range to play with.
I think Raceroom has this nice FFB meter built it helps you kind of understand whats happening its also free to play a few cars and tracks on steam if you have not tried it.
Also strong FFB its not exactly needed FFB just can help there are people that run really low ffb and like it that way and are still super fast. I think the load cell brake is maybe going to gain more time on track but idk I think it does make it a little easier to save a slide and keep the car in control with a higher nm base.
Sounds like the only reason to switch--money to blow. i bet there's no real reason for the switch (like a failure/issue) and more like "I have something new, so i must hate on the old stuff."
Fanatec has the best eco system, which really not even necessary. As happy as I am with my Fanatec DD, i have different pedals which work perfectly along side the Fanatec wheel and shifter.
I wish back when I started sim racing 3 years ago this was available. I bought a G29 and pedals for the same price, $250. I think the C5 would have been SO much better if I knew about it or if it was available.
However today I want to go a little bit further up the power ladder. Around 10nM with more wheel options, but for only $250 I agree the C5 looks like a great deal! Not to mention people are saying the actual power output of the wheel is closer to 7-8nM, not the advertised 5nM!
problem with mine was it would rarely hook into the software, and by extension, games themselves, then there is the way the gears feel when I use the wheel, how it feels like they are skipping (they aren't the game was just horrible on wheel)
I went with a cammus c5 as a replacement, as I would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ around with trying to get the g29 to work for so damn long that by the time I got it to hook into something all will to play a game was gone, and when games will take a wheel (sadly not all racing games will take a wheel) I absolutely love playing them. ill probably end up getting a c12 sooner or later because I want over 8nm of force (c5 has peak short bursts of 7/8nm not sustain, its 5-6 sustain).
what do you want to do?
realistically about 5nm is good enough and feels good
for drifting you want about 8 just for wheel snappiness being a near 1:1 with irl drifting feel (good enough for people who actually drift to practice on)
depending on what you want to race, up to 12 could be great for a more irl feel
22nm is about what it feels like when power steering dies
while you would likely only use around 2-5nm in normal use, higher nm wheels translate spikes better so you clip less.
now big caveat to everything above, someone on a controller is going to be better than you no matter what you buy, practice > higher end stuff every day of the week, higher end stuff just translates what's happening better and is more immersive/fun, for me 8nm is what I want because I like driving sideways, but I don't need it, I just feel like raceing games and not useing a wheel just kind of feels wrong.
Fanatec got taken over by Corsair recently but people still having issues.
I have Fanatec equipment.