Can we harvest human meat from human corpses?

[Timothy]

I know it's a morbid and messed up thing to do, but in this environment, we should have the option of resorting to cannibalism.

[IFIYGD]

NO. Thankfully, NO.

[Morda]

+1

[Timothy]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

NO. Thankfully, NO.

So you're telling me, that if you were freezing and starving to death, you'd rather die than eat human flesh?

[Bardware]

I'd do it ♥♥♥♥ social norms. +1

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

NO. Thankfully, NO.

So you're telling me, that if you were freezing and starving to death, you'd rather die than eat human flesh?

No. That's not what I am telling you. What I would do IRL, if I was in the exact same situation may be very different than what I want to see in this game. Because that level of morbidity and that type of content doesn't fit the game.

Game- doesn't need to have cannibalism.

IRL- I hope I never face that decision.

(typos corrected)

[Ordo]

So you're telling me, that if you were freezing and starving to death, you'd rather die than eat human flesh?

I for one would prefer starving.
Besides - it's a game, we don't need all the options. For example I don't want option to decapitate one of (expected to be added) NPCs and put it's head on spear to let others know that I am to be avoided, I don't want option to torture NPCs, etc. etc.

[Timothy]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

So you're telling me, that if you were freezing and starving to death, you'd rather die than eat human flesh?

No. That's not what I am telling you. What i would do IRL, if I was in the exact same situation may be very dofferent than what I want to see in this game. Because that level of mobidity and that type if content doesn;t fit the game.

Game- doesn't need to have cannibalism.

IRL- I hope I never face that decision.

How does it not fit the game? We're in the middle of an apocalyptic scenario, society seems to have pretty much collapsed, we're in an inhospitibal environment, wolves and bears will attack you on sight, in the official Story Mode teaser trailer, we can see someone being brutally murdered with some kind of blunt object. All of that and you're telling me cannibalism DOESN'T fit?!

[Timothy]

Originally posted by Arriveus:

So you're telling me, that if you were freezing and starving to death, you'd rather die than eat human flesh?

I for one would prefer starving.
Besides - it's a game, we don't need all the options. For example I don't want option to decapitate one of (expected to be added) NPCs and put it's head on spear to let others know that I am to be avoided, I don't want option to torture NPCs, etc. etc.

Unless you've actually felt the pain of starving to death, that is not something that ANYONE can say with absolute certainty.

[Ordo]

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

Originally posted by Arriveus:

I for one would prefer starving.
Besides - it's a game, we don't need all the options. For example I don't want option to decapitate one of (expected to be added) NPCs and put it's head on spear to let others know that I am to be avoided, I don't want option to torture NPCs, etc. etc.

Unless you've actually felt the pain of starving to death, that is not something that ANYONE can say with absolute certainty.

You are right in a sense that, not being in such situation, I can't state with certainity that I would not eat human body. I also cannot state that I would eat human body.
People do what they prefer to do in a given instant.
So I can't state with certainity what I would prefer to do in this situation.
So I actually can't answer your question.
As I write these words however I am certain that I prefer starving to death.
I also prefer to be prefering starvation in situation in question.

I also am quite certain that I would not change my mind on what is the right thing to do in situation in question. Problem would be actually doing the right thing.
Sorry for possible language mistakes - it's quite complicated:)

[Timothy]

Originally posted by Arriveus:

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

Unless you've actually felt the pain of starving to death, that is not something that ANYONE can say with absolute certainty.

Unless you've actually felt the pain of starving to death, that is not something that ANYONE can say with absolute certainty.

You are right in a sense that, not being in such situation, I can't state with certainity that I would not eat human body. I also cannot state that I would eat human body.
People do what they prefer to do in a given instant.
So I can't state with certainity what I would prefer to do in this situation.
So I actually can't answer your question.
As I write these words however I am certain that I prefer starving to death.
I also prefer to be prefering starvation in situation in question.

I also am quite certain that I would not change my mind on what is the right thing to do in situation in question. Problem would be actually doing the right thing.
Sorry for possible language mistakes - it's quite complicated:)

Your English is fine. I personally haven't been truly starving in real life, but whenever I play games like this, my mind immediately goes into "Survival Mode" where I want to do whatever I have to to survive. I know cannibalism is immoral, but if I was in a survival situation where I couldn't find any other food, I would absolutely resort to it. I would most likely regret it, but I wouldn't be killing people to get meat from them, I'd only get the meat from people who are already dead.

[robin2u]

Ewwww, just ewwww.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

How does it not fit the game? We're in the middle of an apocalyptic scenario, society seems to have pretty much collapsed, we're in an inhospitibal environment, wolves and bears will attack you on sight, in the official Story Mode teaser trailer, we can see someone being brutally murdered with some kind of blunt object. All of that and you're telling me cannibalism DOESN'T fit?!

It is too gruwsome and graphic, to fit the game IMO. The game is not Kill Bill, with huge geysers of blood during or after a mauling or when hunting animals. Cannibalism fits the feel of the game about as well ad zombies, infected, lycans, wizards, robots and vampuires do. My opinion. Lots of other games have that sort of stuff. This game is unique and different in the Survival genre because it doesn't.

Now, I did a wee bit of research, and no. I probably would prefer to die of starvation, than resort to cannibalism IRL. Why? Because I discovered that some viruses, HCV and HIV both, as well as others, can and do survive freezing and thawing repeatedly. Granted, both can be killed by high heat, but we do not know that we reach that temperature in game, and IRL, without a meat thermometer, and starving (so tempted to cook but eat rare), it may still survive. And it only takes 1 surviving copy of either virus, and any of it's mutations, forms and genotypes, to infect. So, a quicker death by starvation is much preferred over a potentially long, drawn out and angonizing death by infection of a killer virus. And yes, ingestion f blood containing meats or just blood, from a person infected with Hep A B or Cm and HIV does carry the risk of infection.

And- in game? Unless you aggressively hunt and kill every animal past to the point that you have outlived the animal respawn mechanic...there is always food to be had. You may not be at 100% full, but the in game starvation exploit is used by many, and used well, to survive for very long runs, and to stretch out food suppkies. New map already, with more food avaialble and animals to hunt for food. Supposedly another map (or 2) that will tie in with Story Mode yet to come.

[Timothy]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by TimtheBigDaddy=VX9=:

How does it not fit the game? We're in the middle of an apocalyptic scenario, society seems to have pretty much collapsed, we're in an inhospitibal environment, wolves and bears will attack you on sight, in the official Story Mode teaser trailer, we can see someone being brutally murdered with some kind of blunt object. All of that and you're telling me cannibalism DOESN'T fit?!

It is too gruwsome and graphic, to fit the game IMO. The game is not Kill Bill, with huge geysers of blood during or after a mauling or when hunting animals. Cannibalism fits the feel of the game about as well ad zombies, infected, lycans, wizards, robots and vampuires do. My opinion. Lots of other games have that sort of stuff. This game is unique and different in the Survival genre because it doesn't.

Now, I did a wee bit of research, and no. I probably would prefer to die of starvation, than resort to cannibalism IRL. Why? Because I discovered that some viruses, HCV and HIV both, as well as others, can and do survive freezing and thawing repeatedly. Granted, both can be killed by high heat, but we do not know that we reach that temperature in game, and IRL, without a meat thermometer, and starving (so tempted to cook but eat rare), it may still survive. And it only takes 1 surviving copy of either virus, and any of it's mutations, forms and genotypes, to infect. So, a quicker death by starvation is much preferred over a potentially long, drawn out and angonizing death by infection of a killer virus. And yes, ingestion f blood containing meats or just blood, from a person infected with Hep A B or Cm and HIV does carry the risk of infection.

And- in game? Unless you aggressively hunt and kill every animal past to the point that you have outlived the animal respawn mechanic...there is always food to be had. You may not be at 100% full, but the in game starvation exploit is used by many, and used well, to survive for very long runs, and to stretch out food suppkies. New map already, with more food avaialble and animals to hunt for food. Supposedly another map (or 2) that will tie in with Story Mode yet to come.

If they did ever add cannibalism, that would help to balance it out with those various diseases.

[Alcator]

There is a practical reason why this will not be implemented: Ratings.

If they included Cannibalism, the rating agencies would demand 18+ rating. This is a big deal in the USA, where some shops won't carry 18+ products at all; it also limits promotional options and so on.

The Long Dark is on the right path to be a very successful indie game; the last thing Hinterland studios need is some stupid controversy where politicians smear their names and say "We must protect our children from this atrocity!"

For the same reason, there is not going to be sex, sexual assault and so on, or why the paper doll is not naked when you undress it.

It will still be difficult if not impossible to get <15 rating, so it's not a good idea to provoke the Entertainment Software Rating Bigots (ESRB) any further. There's already enough gore and scary contents as it is.

[Timothy]

Originally posted by Alcator:

There is a practical reason why this will not be implemented: Ratings.

If they included Cannibalism, the rating agencies would demand 18+ rating. This is a big deal in the USA, where some shops won't carry 18+ products at all; it also limits promotional options and so on.

The Long Dark is on the right path to be a very successful indie game; the last thing Hinterland studios need is some stupid controversy where politicians smear their names and say "We must protect our children from this atrocity!"

For the same reason, there is not going to be sex, sexual assault and so on, or why the paper doll is not naked when you undress it.

It will still be difficult if not impossible to get <15 rating, so it's not a good idea to provoke the Entertainment Software Rating Bigots (ESRB) any further. There's already enough gore and scary contents as it is.

Oh yeah, I forgot about ratings.