Hobbs

[Karina]

What did you guys did to Hobbs? Im kinda scared of letting him live.

[Skywatcher]

I felt bad about killing him, but when I talked to Grey Mother and heard Will say you don't have to worry anymore, made me feel I did the right thing. That scumbag can't harm Grey Mother anymore this way !

[Daffy]

Killed him, then got annoyed there's a perfecty good knife and lantern there but i can't take either. :(

[Vision]

Ravenwolf Silvermoon님이 먼저 게시:

Hiya. My character let him live. Mostly because Hobbs will eventually die from starvation, cold or wolves or all three.

If you let him live and pull out the knife, do you get to keep it?

[Karina]

Vision님이 먼저 게시:

If you let him live and pull out the knife, do you get to keep it?

No. My character still uses that sharp metal piece from the very beginning.

[zebra03]

Esteban Failsmore님이 먼저 게시:

Puddy님이 먼저 게시:

I was too! I actually ended up reloading and letting him live, and i'm glad i did, cause i hadn't heard some of his dialog the first time round and didn't realise the fire was an accident.

Accident, yes. But he and other convicts standed and watched as trapped people burned to death.

I let him live so he can suffer and learn his mistakes
killing him is just his ticket out of his guilt

[{O|G} Erik the Red]

Curious, I met Hobbs in the evening, and apparently right before a blizzard trapped me in. I let him live, but then realized that oh crap, I'm gonna have to spend the night with him....

Don't Murder me in my sleep...

[Etro]

X-Erik the Red님이 먼저 게시:

Curious, I met Hobbs in the evening, and apparently right before a blizzard trapped me in. I let him live, but then realized that oh crap, I'm gonna have to spend the night with him....

Don't Murder me in my sleep...

I was thinking the exact same thing

[Ravenwolf Silvermoon]

Hello. If anyone feeilng bad about pushing the knife, think of it this way, oopps i fell towards him or triped while trying to push the knife out and instead i ended up puhsing it in. Dang meant to pull the knife out. oh well, wahts done is done.
ALso spending the night with him (whether or not you pulled/push the knife, his body will still be in the house).

[war_penguin]

Good presentation of moral connundrum. Like most ppl here, I found killing him pretty disturbing.

Just from a gameplay perspective, it's really really really dumb you don't get to take the knife or the lantern. Pretty jarring loss of immersion right after a very compelling cutscene.

[Karina]

(Lakega) Holy Athena님이 먼저 게시:

I see absolutely zero connundrum here... he didn't try to help as dozens of people burned, he even said "I wish I could of seen it". He didn't try to help, he tried to capture and prison Astrid, and ended up hurting her, and chasing her more while she was wounded.. He gives zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about anyone.. (pretty sure he's the type of personw ho would of raped her too and probably killed her after)

It actually scares me that people even hesitated to kill him and feel bad for it... Is this the reason we have prisons over crowded with people that hsould just be killed off and done with? Are these the people in this forum post that think its being a "good human being" by forcing the killers to live a comfortable life off of the tax payers dollars by the peoples family they wronged? Think about it... millions of families are paying to keep the murderer and sick psycho's alive who took family members from them... inhumane if you ask me..

ANd no it doesn't make you a killer to get rid of people in society who are seriousy twisted, evil, and kill others.. keeping them locked up for the rest of their life and forcing that fmaily to pay for them is whats twisted beyond belief..

Remember this dude was going to one of the most top security prisons in the country... he obviously killed many people before.. He even said that's where the worst of the worst go..

Frodo: ` It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.`

Gandalf: ` Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many. `

Could not resist quoting that, sorry.

[Expectorate]

Did I want the knife after pulling it out of him? Not especially. Did I want to know where the heck it was so I could be sure he couldn't use it on me? Hell yes. I think I saw it under the couch. He aint getting it.

I pulled the knife because I figured he was dead anyway, angling to provoke me into rage-killing him, and maybe when the pain and suffering really starts kicking in and he's struggling to breathe, he might feel more talkative and useful. Then I went around scavenging, barely taking my eyes off him for a second at a time, and stood there and repaired my gear. Just waiting.

I dunno if I've got Will hanging around watching the guy die out of some kind of human connection thing like even this scum shouldn't have to die alone, or if he's just waiting to make sure he's really dead, but it's really not pity. Morbid curiosity? Solidarity vigil? Pure paranoia? Mostly paranoia.

[Solaris]

Hoping that I would get the knife, I pulled it out. Disapointed about it disapearing.
Hobbs will die soon enough. No one around to help him so he will die of internal bleeding anyway.
I didn't want murder on my conscience. Getting that knife was more important for my survival.

[jklinders]

Esteban Failsmore님이 먼저 게시:

(Lakega) Holy Athena님이 먼저 게시:

I see absolutely zero connundrum here... he didn't try to help as dozens of people burned, he even said "I wish I could of seen it". He didn't try to help, he tried to capture and prison Astrid, and ended up hurting her, and chasing her more while she was wounded.. He gives zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about anyone.. (pretty sure he's the type of personw ho would of raped her too and probably killed her after)

It actually scares me that people even hesitated to kill him and feel bad for it... Is this the reason we have prisons over crowded with people that hsould just be killed off and done with? Are these the people in this forum post that think its being a "good human being" by forcing the killers to live a comfortable life off of the tax payers dollars by the peoples family they wronged? Think about it... millions of families are paying to keep the murderer and sick psycho's alive who took family members from them... inhumane if you ask me..

ANd no it doesn't make you a killer to get rid of people in society who are seriousy twisted, evil, and kill others.. keeping them locked up for the rest of their life and forcing that fmaily to pay for them is whats twisted beyond belief..

Remember this dude was going to one of the most top security prisons in the country... he obviously killed many people before.. He even said that's where the worst of the worst go..

Frodo: ` It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.`

Gandalf: ` Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many. `

Could not resist quoting that, sorry.

Nicely put. I would have been tempted to do a line by line rebuttal but this is more eloquent.

[Agent Pointdexter🎯]

jklinders님이 먼저 게시:

Esteban Failsmore님이 먼저 게시:

Frodo: ` It's a pity Bilbo didn't kill Gollum when he had the chance.`

Gandalf: ` Pity? It's a pity that stayed Bilbo's hand. Many that live deserve death. Some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be too eager to deal out death in judgment. Even the very wise cannot see all ends. My heart tells me that Gollum has some part to play in it, for good or evil, before this is over. The pity of Bilbo may rule the fate of many. `

Could not resist quoting that, sorry.

Nicely put. I would have been tempted to do a line by line rebuttal but this is more eloquent.

That line from Gandalf was meant to go both ways. Lucky how it played out in the LOTR story was for the better. If you apply that logic to Hobbs, then the fate of many here can just as easily mean many more people will get killed by this criminal who enjoys watching people burn in schools.

The point of the choices in Wintermute is to show the capacity of humans to turn into monsters when put it desperate times. Also the game challenges the integrity of those who stick to civilized principles in situations like these. Kinda like the themes of The Walking Dead and most other post-apocalyptic works of fiction where you are forced to question, in situations like those, how long are you going to remain pure or will you become the monster yourself just to survive.

I killed Hobbs. I actually killed him, loaded the game and spared him to see the dialogue and see the merits of my mercy, but loaded again to kill him for the finality of my run. I put myself in that situation and that's what I would have done. Heck, replay EP1 or find videos of Mackenzie's dialogue in that scene and see if you resonate with his feelings as he finished off that guy. I know I did.

[DallasFletcher]

(Lakega) Holy Athena님이 먼저 게시:

war_penguin님이 먼저 게시:

Good presentation of moral connundrum. Like most ppl here, I found killing him pretty disturbing.

Just from a gameplay perspective, it's really really really dumb you don't get to take the knife or the lantern. Pretty jarring loss of immersion right after a very compelling cutscene.

I see absolutely zero connundrum here... he didn't try to help as dozens of people burned, he even said "I wish I could of seen it". He didn't try to help, he tried to capture and prison Astrid, and ended up hurting her, and chasing her more while she was wounded.. He gives zero ♥♥♥♥♥ about anyone.. (pretty sure he's the type of personw ho would of raped her too and probably killed her after)

It actually scares me that people even hesitated to kill him and feel bad for it... Is this the reason we have prisons over crowded with people that hsould just be killed off and done with? Are these the people in this forum post that think its being a "good human being" by forcing the killers to live a comfortable life off of the tax payers dollars by the peoples family they wronged? Think about it... millions of families are paying to keep the murderer and sick psycho's alive who took family members from them... inhumane if you ask me..

ANd no it doesn't make you a killer to get rid of people in society who are seriousy twisted, evil, and kill others.. keeping them locked up for the rest of their life and forcing that fmaily to pay for them is whats twisted beyond belief..

Remember this dude was going to one of the most top security prisons in the country... he obviously killed many people before.. He even said that's where the worst of the worst go..

I let him live because I thought I was going to get a good knife out of it :) When I realized that was not the case, instant reload + sent him on his way.