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and the bear mechanics are not that off from reality. your chances of fighting a wolf in real life are decent. try to fight a 1200 pound brown bear IRL you have no chance. so it really is fairly realistic!
Spoiler. i had a hard time with the sleep patterns as i often run and get over burdened. which in turn makes you tired faster. now i know more how the mechanics work i know how to avoid it as much as possible.
The no-menu thing where you HAVE TO watch the mauling until its completion is REALLY annoying. You cannot skip it, which you really want to after the first time. You cannot summon the main menu or anything else. It makes sense that you can't overpower a bear that's right on top of you but why does it have to take. so. long?
What is really, really stupid about it is that you are SUPPOSED to get mauled. Even if you shoot the bear, it will just maul you and you are supposed to just recover. You shoot it? It will just charge you down. Unless you do a perfect headshot, which is ridicolous hard in the way the game sabotages aiming. You can't brace the rifle on the ground or other terrain, you can't hold your breath and you can't even make adjustments.
WHY AM I SURVIVING MAULINGS BY A BEAR? I should be DEAD! Why does not the bear eat me? I should be AVOIDING getting mauled altogether! Getting mauled is what is supposed to happen if you FAIL! Jerimiah certainly made it clear that the bear WANTS to kill you, why is it letting me live again and again?
What is really, really badly programmed is that the bear IS INVULNERABLE! You are not allowed to kill it like any other animal. I spent several hours shooting it with both flare gun and rifle while chasing it to get more shots off of it. I once had it glitched, emptied about 10 rounds into the thing and did not die! You HAVE to play out the stupid, badly-scripted encounters! You have to CHASE IT! You can't just shoot it multipe times, you have to shoot it, chase it, shoot it, chase it, six times!
One thing though: MacKenzie didn't cut himself in the house to lure the bear, he did it as a gesture to show that he is willing to do it and committed to the hunt.
I used both the flare pistol and the rifle. I shot it with the rifle and then chased it away with the pistol. Ypu have to shot it with the pistol because shooting it will make it charge you.
What was worse is that it kept glitching. It kept getting on lopps during which the bear was harmless because it was committed to running in circles. The whole hunt, aside following the tracks, felt like a farce.
PROTIP: if you are worried about clothes being destroyed by animals and you know you will have to struggle with, litterally get naked. Just drop trou and fight.
I chased that old bear on the hardest setting across the map. It helps to go wild on your stimpacks and have loaded up on coffee first. Try to reach the the top of boulder before you goad him into charging you. I got maulled a couple of times and it seems like this bear doesn't maul as bad as the ones of interlopper did. W/E. I took down Mr bear with I think eight rifle rounds all told. Didn't use the flare at all, I try to save them for wolves.
My biggest gripe is you cannot make animal skin clothes like the sandbox. I've been running around with literally every cured carcass and I just got beat down by some convict and I suspect I won't be able to use them going forward.
Yeah it's nice to figure out things and getting rekt from time to time for sure, I'm currently trying Interloper sandbox and really enjoy it, even though I haven't lasted a week yet.
But with Old Bear, as I wrote, it's just so anticlimactic. You can do it by not getting mauled at all with lots of reloads. Even after leaving the trapper's house a well-timed shot will make the bear instantly flee.
You can do it legit: waiting 10-20 seconds for the bear to maul, losing 50% condition and 3 pretty good clothing, 1 of which is extremely rare,
and doing it effectively: leaving the cabin naked and then saving-reloading all the time so you get lucky with the shots... it's just not a good choice to make.
Managing your needs and balancing them against your condition is really interesting in this game for sure, I love that about it.
@Zixinus
Congrats! Releif was all I felt when I finally finished him.
I'm not sure about the cuttting palm being a gesture. Realistically it would be, but Jeremiah said the bear would pick up the scent of blood from 20 clicks. They also specifically talk about Will being the bait, and he obviously can't cause a more serious bleeding.
Although cutting your palm when you're supposed to aim with a rifle is pretty stupid as well.
That part is weird.
I hadn't thought of that but true that surviving the maulings is very unlikely, especially from a "manhunter" bear.
I also had trouble with the bear running in circles, especially on the tracks at the Lake Office.
Since it was a boss fight with a long build-up I wasn't surprised about the bear being kind of invulnerable. Lots of games have that kind of bosses. In my opinion it's not really fitting in a down to earth survival experience, but it's not unheard of either.
The looooong mauling and the no main menu is definitely what made me flip out as well.
All the other things are small issues, but combined with these the whole Old Bear part is just suffering.
@Alcator
I think both Zixinus and I made it quite clear what's bothering us :)
@somegizmo
Yeah, I didn't use flare either. Mainly cause I don't know how it works exacctly, and I wasn't in an experimenting mood :)
The naked thing does work, but it shouldn't be incentivised this strongly in my opinion.
I also hoarded guts and skins, but I got better equipment from looting:
Mountaineering Boots, I prefer Wool Mits and I was also lucky enough to find Combat Pants.
But I'm spoiled by Normal difficulty..
The only thing I wanted was a bear coat. Jeremiah could really give his to WIll, since all he'll do during the whole winter is sit in his cabin anyways... could make himself another one from the Old Bear.
Did you max out Trust with Grey Mother and Jeremiah by the way?
From challenges and sandbox, if you score a hit with the flare gun, the wolf/bear runs around crying and also on fire.
Have you read my post?
If you want a summary, the problem is that the game forces you to do something that it otherwise punishes you for and not supposed to do. Getting mauled is supposed to be punishment for getting caught by the bear. To do this quest, you are almost FORCED to get mauled and not just when the bear knocks on the door. Shooting the bear will almost always result in a mauling if you don't use the pistol (you need to shot the head). It would certainly does not help that the aiming is impossible, you can't brace the gun or hold your breath.
the mechanics for this game can be brutal. they may not fit everybodys taste in game play. but truthfully this game in brilliant in its design and mechanics if you take the time to learn from them.
i really wouldnt change a thing, 10 out of 10 ill take a mauling again
10/10 for the most unrealistic aspect and immersion breaking aspect of the game.. wow. what else do you rate 10/10?
youre smart. like use logic to make sense of things. so much arbitrary nonsense leads to a super terrible ending in episode 2. unrealistic, immersion breaking, works against the character we developed, and anticlimatic
btw killed my bear in 4 encounter by shooting himm 2-3 times each time i saw him... quickscoping helps also. as well as being naked, and spamming the save/load feature. super immersion breaking and overall weak scripted boss.
i have a right as a consumer that supported on two platforms to have a critique of wht they produced. good game, poor story so far.
My adrenaline was also skyrocketting during the bearfight, but I guess for different reasons :D
I'm glad you liked it though, I wish I did as well.
I've considered that the story mode is a kind of tutorial, but my experience was very different.
When I got the game I started with Wintermute on Normal difficulty and found that without mastering the mechanics first it is really hard to enjoy the story, maybe that's just me though.
So I went into Survival/Sandbox where I also learned to hunt bears.
And the best tactic I've found (besides savescumming and sniping) is luring the bear onto a completely flat area - which is usually a lake - then bait and then position yourself so you can do at least 2 headshots. You have to line up the shot perfectly and kind of quickscope to reduce sway.
But maybe you learned something different? I'm curious, I could've missed it.
In my experience running around in the forest and trying to shoot the bear on uneven ground with trees between you won't bear (I know) much fruit.
And that's just 1 aspect of the game. I could also mention timing your food and camping right; baiting wolves depending on whether you want to kill or avoid them; boiling just the right amount of water so you won't die of dehydration, but don't overburden yourself either.
These are mentioned during the story for sure, but more based on experience.
This was even more noticable during the first Aurora event and at Jeremiah's secret hideout.
I see how this can be very subjective, but I didn't find Story mode a good tutorial, besides the very basic mechanics, but you can pick that up in about 5 minutes during sandbox anyways.