Food poisoning from COOKED venison?

[BAM]

i was traveling from Camp Office to Trapper's Homestead and ate a piece of my already cooked venison and contracted food poisoning right away. WTF? i thought if you cook it then it's not raw, then no food poisoning. as a result i died in my short trip before i was able to reach the homestead. is that right?

[astrea_anerada]

Originalmente postado por BubbaGurt:

Originalmente postado por astrea_anerada:

Don't play with your luck ^_^

Okay, so it is safe to eat raw meat then, thanks BubbaGurt

Sometimes! It's safe to eat, sometimes lol

Will sashimi (raw pieces of fish for those who don't know ^_^") gives us food poison too? xD (when they add the fish in game)

[BubbaGurt]

Originalmente postado por astrea_anerada:

Originalmente postado por BubbaGurt:

Sometimes! It's safe to eat, sometimes lol

Will sashimi gives us food poison too? xD (when they add the fish in game)

Sometimes it's better than eating cooked in some cases. The food poisoning won't stack up. So once you get it, you better start eating more of that raw meat to fill yourself up. Then rest on it.

[BAM]

that would be a good idea... adding fish in this game. since you really CAN eat fresh caught salmon raw if you prepare it right away. makes the game that much more interesting if you're already running on negative calories. i personally think all meat above 80% cooked should be FP free. and you should be able to just drop your raw meat outside of the cabin and it'll retain its freshness.

i was extremely disapointed last night because i was on a good roll going on 4 days. and died all of a sudden because i was on my way to the homestead and ate a piece of cooked venison. i also learned that i should not sleep outside. since the game requires you to sleep 10 hours to recover on top of the anti biotic. i should've just tried my luck and see if i could run to the homestead before dying.

[zestylegache]

Originalmente postado por astrea_anerada:

Will sashimi (raw pieces of fish for those who don't know ^_^") gives us food poison too? xD (when they add the fish in game)

Fish used for sashimi and sushi are frozen before being used, otherwise whoever eats it runs the risk of getting parasites. People who rave about 'fresh sushi' every time they're near the ocean are typically eating the same stuff that's shipped inland and eaten weeks later.

If ice fishing gets implemented in the game, there should still be a risk of food poisoning for eating raw fish.

And yes, you can get food poisoning from cooked meat. I've gotten severely ill from eating cooked chicken before, so it would make sense that you can get sick from eating badly butchered wolf meat in the middle of the woods that you're eating with your dirty, blood crusted hands.

[pazartesi_gorusuruz]

In order to survive this seemingly random food poisoning, I think they should either reduce the fatigue amount you get when foraging wood, or increase the wood find. Because:

Otherwise you end up without wood and WITH food poisoning.

You need to forage wood to start the fire.
You might not find anything from the forage.
When you finally do, you still need to cook the meat.
You get hungry when cooking too.
What happened to those hours you are supposed to rest.
Condition dropping.
Already dropped to 60% because of illness and freezing during the storm foraging.
I can't die like this.
This might be the end.
You faded into the long dark.

[Oreas27]

My last run didn't even make it to 14 days. I kept on getting hit with food poisoning one after another lol. Got food poisoning over 14 times in that one play through and ran out of antibiotics. And I had a mountain of potable water behind me to wash my hands and cooking surfaces lol

[빈빈]

Originalmente postado por astrea_anerada:

Originalmente postado por BubbaGurt:

Sometimes! It's safe to eat, sometimes lol

Will sashimi (raw pieces of fish for those who don't know ^_^") gives us food poison too? xD (when they add the fish in game)

reallife / the long dark... Two different things
Actually u can get food poison if the fish was not fresh.

Well, u probably can't get food poison from a frozen candy bar... in reallife xd

I've gotten severely ill from eating cooked chicken

U probably cooked it too short. There are no more harmful bacteria if u cooked it.

[Bomoo]

Okay, this is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ridiculous now. Started a new game, found a hunting knife. So far so good. Carved up a 68% deer for 1.8kg of venison. Cooked it. Ate one piece immediately after cooking (it was at 99%) - food poisoning. Okay *fine,* this won't break my game. So I sleep it off, use a bunch of my water. Wake up, eat a piece of venison (94%). Guess ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ what? Food. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Poisoning. What? Are you serious? What is wrong with the RNG in this game? Just loves to ♥♥♥♥ all over you most days, it feels like.

The player cannot afford two days of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ RNG induced food poisoning in a row at the beginning. The first bout already wasted all my food and most of my drinking water. Now instead of using the last of my water to forage for wood and try to grab another deer, I'm going to starve to death. Good job. Might as well just delete this save, because I see where this is going.

[pazartesi_gorusuruz]

It can be really frustrating indeed. It usually behaves according to the condition of the food but VERY rarely you can get fp from stuff like %100 conditioned meat. I got it from a 3-seconds-ago-cooked-%-100-wolf-meat and got food poisoning. Yay me. I mean it doesn't go further than that.

But like I said it's extremely rare but when it happens, it happens. And screws your save. I usually dump the save when that happens. It's not giving up because it's not realistic, I mean you shouldn't get any fp from recently cooked food. Maybe they'll adjust it in the future, like 0% probability for food poisoning from 95% condition and up.

Meanwhile, I hear that people eat raw meat and not get food poisoning.

[Bomoo]

Originalmente postado por pazartesi_gorusuruz:

But like I said it's extremely rare but when it happens, it happens. And screws your save. I usually dump the save when that happens. It's not giving up because it's not realistic, I mean you shouldn't get any fp from recently cooked food. Maybe they'll adjust it in the future, like 0% probability for food poisoning from 95% condition and up.

Meanwhile, I hear that people eat raw meat and not get food poisoning.

You think so? This is the second save of mine in a row that was ruined by 99% food poisoning. Well, not precisely in a row, but the save in between was ruined by Fluffy the ♥♥♥♥ wolf before I had the chance to eat any venison. The three saves in question were still made within a day of each other.

[Mattfuzzy]

some cultures always eat raw meat... its a delicacy... i mean in Ethopia and the like... i guess if they can do it with their hot weather...
none the less iv had a few bad rolls recently eating raw and cooked meat, there doesnt seem to be a difference and as far as i could tell the raw meat had 1250 calories and the cooked had 1000 (yes it was only deer meat)

[HappyDays]

Arguably meat should be safe to cook and eat up to 2 days after it is collected as long as it is refrigerated. The long dark is a freezing environment and food poisoning shouldn't be an issue.
I think a compromise of meat above 80% condition should have 0% chance of food poisoning (*edit* when cooked of course). It is realistic after all.

For example chicken breast lasts 2-3 days after purchase when stored in a refrigerator at 2 degres celcius.

The Long Dark has 'freezing' conditions so food poisoning shouldn't really be an issue from freshly harvested meat.

Taint from wolf attacked meat and the bacteria passed from bite marks...that's a different story.

[Bomoo]

I also wish food poisoning didn't nail you immediately after nomming on corpse steaks. IMO it should set in gradually over the next 24-36h or whatever would be appropriate, and the penalties should also set in gradually. Not BAM you finished chewing some wolf jerky = instant diarrhea and nausea.

[pazartesi_gorusuruz]

Yeah, the effects setting in slowly would be nice and realistic. When you get food poisoning right now it's like you're instantly grounded for 10 hours.

Also, someone said that food poisoning does not stack. I tried it and that's not true. I ate a 60% cooked venison while I was already sick, and it said I contracted another food poisoning. And the resting hours got reset to 10. The previous antibiotics lost their effect too.

Btw I made a quick, loose calculation about the probability of food poisoning from good cooked stuff (70%+). I am currently at day 30 and got sick no more than 5 times. Everyday I eat like 4 pieces of meat. So that's roughly like 120 meat. 5 in 120 is like 4% chance from cooked meat. So it's not like it's a huge probability. You got like 96% chance of not getting sick from cooked stuff. But like I said, when it happens, it happens. It's irritating.

[Seenloitering]

A Couple things to consider:

1) There seems to be an assumption that if meat is cooked, it must be competantly cooked. Cooked meat ought to have a higher chance of giving you food poisoning than say, a candy bar. You are an incompetand survivalist, not a modern manufacturer. There are a thousand ways to taint meat you are cooking and someone new to it will do one of things almost every time they cook. It's why meat packing plants have strict preparation standards: people reliably fail to untaint meat that makes it through the packing process.

2) if one piece of cooked meat is bad, chances are ALL the meat you have will be tainted. You keep it in the same spot, right? I'm not saying this is coded into the game, bit it actually makes sense that you would continue getting food poisoning from all the meat in your tainted meat supply. What doesn't make as much sense, is that you would get food poisoning from a piece of meat, but not from another piece sitting right beside it.