How cold is the mountaineering hut?

[Scavenger]

I'm planning to go climb TW mountain for the first time and plan to stay at the mountaineering hut. I've only ever been there on my first day of a run when I spawn in TWM but never stayed there because with minimal clothes you can't without keeping a fire going. Now I have rabbit and deer gear plus the moose coat and some other clothes (on loper loot so nothing fancy). Will I be able to stay above freezing without a fire? Is it just like other interiors with no loading screen like the lookout tower in ML or is it colder? I'm on loper weather btw.

[wilky]

If a blizzard hits in the middle of the night, then you might be at risk of freezing. If you want to be safe about it, sleep in like 3 hour intervals during the coldest portion of night before dawn, to test it out (especially if your condition is like 80+% anyway)

[Scavenger]

Problem with sleeping in short intervals is that my recovery during the day is set to none while recovery during sleep is set to low. I only recover like 10% for an 8 hour sleep with the bonus of sleeping in longer stretches. If I sleep in short intervals I lose that bonus. I'll have to test it out the first days that I'm there and come up with a safe routine.

[gothmog77]

It's not safe to sleep in the Hut for long intervals without a fire, so your options seem to be:
-short intervals (miss out on Recovery)
-build a fire (need to spend matches and fuel)
-sleep in a transition cave instead (there are two of these inside the mountain)

Edit: There are some spots not too far from the Hut where you can collect Birch Bark, so you can use that as an alternative Recovery method if you can't get good sleep. If you have BBT disabled, then building and maintaining fires seems like the way to go. I'm pretty sure you get the fire duration bonus in the Hut, so once you get a fire going you can potentially maintain it a good while.
Edit2: I am incorrect, see next post.

[gothmog77]

Originally posted by JayXL:

Originally posted by gothmog77:

I'm pretty sure you get the fire duration bonus in the Hut, so once you get a fire going you can potentially maintain it a good while.

Just to clarify, the Hut is considered inside as far as stats go, it's just one of the rare inside locations with variable temperature. You can dry skins there and get CF.

So, the fire in the fireplace will be considered inside and provide no bonus if you are inside. However, I like to make a fire outside just to the right of the door.. it's wind protected from 3 sides. You can cook outside, have a fire going inside as well, and get the burn bonus for both.

The game applies the burn bonus according to where you're standing, not where the fire is located. Hope this helps!

This is good to know, thanks!

[iwasa]

The mountaineer hut will be +8 or +10 C warmer (at least in Pilgrim reckoning) than outside ambient air temperature, so the interior temperature will vary as the outside temperature does. Of course, no or virtually no windchill inside.

Since I only play Pilgrim that's all I can say. Good luck.

[pickle]

With ~22°C clothing on Interloper, I can sleep through almost every night (a full 10-hour) in the hut without a fire.

Some nights can get really cold with the blizzard ongoing (Feels Like temperature dropping to about -2/-1°C) but you can still be just above freezing with the +5°C warmth bonus from the bed.

[Mauro4691]

there is a cave further down. it's safer there.

[Cal Thang]

Depending on your survival mode, on Stalker i can sleep peacefully without a fire (still need 2 Expedition parkas, tho)

[Scavenger]

After staying at the Mountaineering Hut for just over two in-game weeks I can safely say you don't need a fire to sleep the whole night there, even on loper weather. I have 20C clothing plus the cold fusion feat and I get through every night with no problems, even during blizzards.

[wilky]

Originally posted by Scavenger:

After staying at the Mountaineering Hut for just over two in-game weeks I can safely say you don't need a fire to sleep the whole night there, even on loper weather. I have 20C clothing plus the cold fusion feat and I get through every night with no problems, even during blizzards.

Maybe. One thing I've always wondered is how the "World gets colder over time" setting works, which is set to high for Loper of course. When exactly does that start kicking in? How pronounced is the difference? Is a Loper file at 50 days going to be any different compared to 100 days or 300 days?

Somebody on the Hinterland forum once posted this, if we trust this:

An easier way to judge the rate of world decay is to measure the temperature bonus given by caves or indoor locations without a loading screen. The bonus gradually increases to compensate the decreasing temperatures outside, so that these locations remain about as warm as they were at the start - otherwise these shelters would become completely useless. I was told about this by @Troxism: In the Mountaineer's Hut on Interloper, the bonus is constant at 10°C for the first 5 days, then increases linearly to 30°C on Day 50. I can confirm that 20 days into the game the bonus is already 16°C, so the numbers check out.

In summary, on Interloper the temperature is said to drop by 20°C in the first 50 days, then remain constant. It's pretty huge then, it means that past Day 50 you get something like -50°C air temperature in the morning and -30°C in the afternoon. I have no idea about the lower difficulty modes - someone with a long-lived Voyageur or Stalker character could check this. I assume that both the rate of decay and the cap are less severe.


I also see this posted in the same thread:

Interloper has a temp drop of 20C that increases linearly between day 5 and 50 (so 0.44C drop a day between those times)

Stalker has a temp drop of 15C between day 20 and 200 (0.0833C a day)

[Scavenger]

Originally posted by wilky:

Originally posted by Scavenger:

After staying at the Mountaineering Hut for just over two in-game weeks I can safely say you don't need a fire to sleep the whole night there, even on loper weather. I have 20C clothing plus the cold fusion feat and I get through every night with no problems, even during blizzards.

Maybe. One thing I've always wondered is how the "World gets colder over time" setting works, which is set to high for Loper of course. When exactly does that start kicking in? How pronounced is the difference? Is a Loper file at 50 days going to be any different compared to 100 days or 300 days?

Well, I'm on day 150 now and I understand the temperature decrease plateaus at around day 100, or was it 200. Anyway, if it changes I guess I'll notice, I do always check the temperature before sleeping just to be safe.

[Včelí medvídek]

Originally posted by JayXL:

Just to clarify, the Hut is considered inside as far as stats go, it's just one of the rare inside locations with variable temperature. You can dry skins there and get CF.

i actually believe this is more mixed for this statement.

E.g decay rate match exterior numbers not interior.

Otherwise hut is simply some +10° to actual weather.

[Nosteru]

Since I read about this quite unique building I wanted to check TWM. My question is how the building count for foods decay? As inside or outside decay if I store food inside?

[wilky]

The wiki says this:

Currently, the game also considers sheltered locations without a loading screen, such as the Mountaineer's Hut, the Forestry Lookout or caves, to be OUTSIDE.

I can test this if you like... I am logged out at the Mountaineer's Hut right now with a bunch of meat lying around. I can test if it decays the same inside the hut vs. right outside...

[Nosteru]

Originally posted by wilky:

The wiki says this:

Currently, the game also considers sheltered locations without a loading screen, such as the Mountaineer's Hut, the Forestry Lookout or caves, to be OUTSIDE.

I can test this if you like... I am logged out at the Mountaineer's Hut right now with a bunch of meat lying around. I can test if it decays the same inside the hut vs. right outside...

Outside? Hm still I read that the hides dry inside. This place seems like a Bermuda Triangle. :P
I dont ask you to decay your precious food faster just to test for me. Thanks your offer anyway. :)