Can anyone really eat like 4+ kg worth of meat in one sitting?

[Chysil]

So I was in the middle of some exploring and skinning rabbits etc, I found out that I needed some calories. I was at like 800 or so calories, so I cooked the rabit that I had and ate like 4kg worth of rabbit meat (roughly 8.8 lbs or 140 oz).

Usually in steak resurants you will get your meal for free if you eat even half that size of a steak. I find it crazy that someone can just down that much like it's nothing.

Not to mention, if you are ever really starving for an extending period of time, eating lik that would likely make you sick.

Just thought it was funny, and maybe I'd let myself get down to like 200 calories and set the world record for largest steak ever eaten

[cfett199]

Interesting point. The player character is definately a good contender for competative eating, in not only how much he eats but how fast they eat it. However, if you were ever down to 200 cal (your body doesn't work like that though, but lets just assume) you would be pretty ravenous, but maybe not 8 pounds of meat ravenous.

[Modi]

Thats a very interesting subject for the game, have the hunger bar revolve around the amount of food you've eaten, so some things could fill you up more than others but provide less calories, would make choosing what you eat much more important in game.

[cfett199]

Originally posted by Modi:

Thats a very interesting subject for the game, have the hunger bar revolve around the amount of food you've eaten, so some things could fill you up more than others but provide less calories, would make choosing what you eat much more important in game.

Very well put, saity based on food mass, not calorie content, so energy density has to be considered for what you will eat; candy bars and other junk food for just milling around, bear meat and peanut butter if you intend to be very active.

[Hinterland_Studio]

We're working on making the Hunger system work better.

[cfett199]

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

We're working on making the Hunger system work better.

I've brought up a dynamic metabolism idea in a general discussion thread and wish list thread. Could I here what you guys, as the developers, think of it?

[joefitts63]

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

We're working on making the Hunger system work better.

I hope this means you are going to close the hibernation loophole. Nobody has unlimited body fat to burn.

[Hinterland_Studio]

Originally posted by joefitts63:

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

We're working on making the Hunger system work better.

I hope this means you are going to close the hibernation loophole. Nobody has unlimited body fat to burn.

Yes. These are complex design issues that speak to the heart of the core gameplay, hence they take a while to solve.

[bujablaster]

I think this is on this topic too - meat weight doesn't change after cooking. It should be about at least 30% less weight if cooked or baked (depends on type of meat it can be even more).

[Muertington]

Let us eat those tasty looking frozen human corpses. It would be for survival purposes. No ritualistic crap involved.
Also, while I havent played the game that much yet, is it healthy for our teeth to go on for 200+ days without any kind of cytrics? just meat and water and the ocassional stuff you find inside houses?

[O' Bleake]

4kg of meat? Sure! :)

[paganSK]

maximal eat per day 500g of meat. 4kg is unreal

[Hinterland_Studio]

Originally posted by Gecko-GER:

I mentioned this on another thread and got only dumbass answers. The problem seems to be the amount of meat you can take from bear (32kg). It can keep you alive more than 60 days which would be to easy. At the current state the calories of meat don't match reality and you have to eat such amounts meat.

This has been discussed so much that we're loathe to bring it up yet again...

But the truth is that most people have no idea how many calories you burn doing anything more than standing around. A grown up person carrying 30kg of gear while hiking 10-12 hours a day in the frigid cold burns 500-600 cal/hr, or 5000-6000 calories per day. This isn't the 2000/day you burn from sitting in front of your computer.

Also, a bear weighs hundreds of Kg. Letting someone harvest 32Kg from a bear is already quite limiting compared to how much meat you could take in real life.

[Modi]

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

Originally posted by Gecko-GER:

I mentioned this on another thread and got only dumbass answers. The problem seems to be the amount of meat you can take from bear (32kg). It can keep you alive more than 60 days which would be to easy. At the current state the calories of meat don't match reality and you have to eat such amounts meat.

This has been discussed so much that we're loathe to bring it up yet again...

But the truth is that most people have no idea how many calories you burn doing anything more than standing around. A grown up person carrying 30kg of gear while hiking 10-12 hours a day in the frigid cold burns 500-600 cal/hr, or 5000-6000 calories per day. This isn't the 2000/day you burn from sitting in front of your computer.

Also, a bear weighs hundreds of Kg. Letting someone harvest 32Kg from a bear is already quite limiting compared to how much meat you could take in real life.

This is where food mass vs calories could come in handy, allow for a full butchery rather than the limited, you could balance things through different means, such as caloric value vs weight and spoilage, you could butcher the whole thing, and you'd only be able to eat so much of it before it went bad, and god forbid you store it outdoors and attract legions of predators :P

[Hinterland_Studio]

Originally posted by Modi:

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

This has been discussed so much that we're loathe to bring it up yet again...

But the truth is that most people have no idea how many calories you burn doing anything more than standing around. A grown up person carrying 30kg of gear while hiking 10-12 hours a day in the frigid cold burns 500-600 cal/hr, or 5000-6000 calories per day. This isn't the 2000/day you burn from sitting in front of your computer.

Also, a bear weighs hundreds of Kg. Letting someone harvest 32Kg from a bear is already quite limiting compared to how much meat you could take in real life.

This is where food mass vs calories could come in handy, allow for a full butchery rather than the limited, you could balance things through different means, such as caloric value vs weight and spoilage, you could butcher the whole thing, and you'd only be able to eat so much of it before it went bad, and god forbid you store it outdoors and attract legions of predators :P

Yes, we've discussed this internally at various times and we like the idea. Just depends on how far we want to push the mechanics around harvesting carcasses, and how detailed we want the Hunger/Calorie simulation to be. For most people, the current system is sufficient. That's not to say we wouldn't expand it in the future, but as with everything we have to pick our battles.

A few interesting articles:

Inuit Diet (high-fat, mostly meat)

http://discovermagazine.com/2004/oct/inuit-paradox

6000 Calorie/Day Arctic Explorer's Diet

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8027768.stm

[Modi]

Originally posted by Dr. Dro:

Originally posted by Hinterland_Studio:

A few interesting articles

Thanks for the articles, they're a good read. I find it hard to explain, but the correct word would be, outlandish I believe. The culture, the environment, everything is so different from the reality I'm accustomed to that it's simply mind-blowing, and I really appreciate things that make me think and rethink about the world we live in.

Originally posted by Modi:

This is where food mass vs calories could come in handy, allow for a full butchery rather than the limited, you could balance things through different means, such as caloric value vs weight and spoilage, you could butcher the whole thing, and you'd only be able to eat so much of it before it went bad, and god forbid you store it outdoors and attract legions of predators :P

Official estimates from the USDA on black bear meat is 1550 calories per kg, with 128% of the daily fat requirements at 83g, 400% of the daily iron requirement and 52% of vitamin A needs with a grand total of 201g of protein. Making it less caloric would hurt the realism principle, so I believe that limiting the harvestable amount makes a lot more sense than allowing you to harvest say, 150 kg of meat that has 10% of the real caloric value (which would make it effectively impractical to hunt bears except to create a bear skin bedroll).

http://skipthepie.org/ethnic-foods/bear-black-meat-alaska-native/?weight=1000

to be honest i meant to add that i didn't know the real caloric value but the principle could be applied to more than just bear meat, add(or edit) food sources that fill your hunger meter faster but have less caloric value. and while i agree with the devs that the current system is more or less suficient, there's always room for discussion