No bedroll - no sleep? Just die?

[sergeyshurupa]

Sleeping on a table would be a survival.
Even sleeping on the floor in several locations should be possible.
I was playing interloper survival and went from the Timberwolf Mountain to the Carter Hydro Dam to DIE because of not being able to sleep there. Don't you think it's ridiculous?

[leslac]

Yeah, pretty much.

I seem to remember there being a cave with a sleeping spot in the river area outside Careter Hydro Dam.

In any case, this is much more a strategy game of survival than an actual realistic survival emulator. The devs made certain choices to make it harder for you, like not being able to eat snow to hydrate or sleep on the floor.

I guess you could make sleeping on the floor a thing, but have a temperature minus plus damage to your clothes.

[PowerOn]

The only places you need a bedroll for sleep is inside caves, as there's nor reason for just drop the bedroll in ground and sleep of open places in to the wild.

But you can make snowshelter in cave/mine mount and sleep in then, e.g the open cave in Winding River. Coming from TMW to ML you have "tons" of cloths for collect in Farmstead.

And in Carter hidro dam you can sleep in the trailers in front, the left one has beds and the right has leaves bed.


You die due bad planing for this travel.

[gothmog77]

Snow shelters are the solution. Sticks and cloth are both easy to find, even on Loper.

[IFIYGD]

Sleep in cars and trucks- no bedroll needed. Sleep in a snow shelter you construct- no bedroll needed. You do lose the warmth bonus the bedroll would give you, but if you are well dressed, or make a fire just outside of one of the car doors (and place it in a spot where wind is less likely to knock it down), you will get some ambient warmth from the fire outside. Just be careful not to exit the car into the fire. A few caves even have beds already in them, made from fir branches on the ground.
In Interloper, you chose the most challenging experience mode. bedroll are around, but much more scarce than in other experience modes. Spawning in without a bedroll, in really crappy clothing is part of that challenge. Learn where bedrolls are likely to spawn in Loper (there are a number of guides in the Guides section here, and online that tell you were bedrolls spawn in Loper). You'll need to start getting geared up to hunt as well, making a bearskin bedroll is often an ASAP goal for some Loper players.

In your trek from TWM to Carter Dam, you could have slept in the cave at the bottom of the Ravine Basin, in cars in PV and CH, in the "Sasquatch cave" in PV, or inone of the trailers the trailers out in front of the dam (one has a bed, one doesn't).

Learning the maps and where things are, places to sleep, and places where needed items are most likely to be found, is key in Loper. It takes time, and lots of deaths to learn it all. Learn your maps, well, and it will get "easier" as you play more.

[FRANKDREBIN]

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Sleeping on a table would be a survival.
Even sleeping on the floor in several locations should be possible.
I was playing interloper survival and went from the Timberwolf Mountain to the Carter Hydro Dam to DIE because of not being able to sleep there. Don't you think it's ridiculous?

I do agree that you should be able to sleep in tables or in the floor to be realistic but there was a bed like 50 meters from the dam entrance at one of the trailers...

[FRANKDREBIN]

Originally posted by PowerOn:

The only places you need a bedroll for sleep is inside caves, as there's nor reason for just drop the bedroll in ground and sleep of open places in to the wild.

But you can make snowshelter in cave/mine mount and sleep in then, e.g the open cave in Winding River. Coming from TMW to ML you have "tons" of cloths for collect in Farmstead.

And in Carter hidro dam you can sleep in the trailers in front, the left one has beds and the right has leaves bed.


You die due bad planing for this travel.

I like your picture... it´s exactly how I like to be dressed in TLD, balaclava and

[H34VY_R41N]

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Sleeping on a table would be a survival.
Even sleeping on the floor in several locations should be possible.
I was playing interloper survival and went from the Timberwolf Mountain to the Carter Hydro Dam to DIE because of not being able to sleep there. Don't you think it's ridiculous?

You don't need a bedroll at all if you spawn in any area but HRV. I'm playing WE event for two in-game weeks and didn't use my bedrol even once. I even forgot I have one until stumbled upon it in my inventory lol. As @PowerOn said plan your route carefully.

[leslac]

Originally posted by Thiago SB:

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Sleeping on a table would be a survival.
Even sleeping on the floor in several locations should be possible.
I was playing interloper survival and went from the Timberwolf Mountain to the Carter Hydro Dam to DIE because of not being able to sleep there. Don't you think it's ridiculous?

I do agree that you should be able to sleep in tables or in the floor to be realistic but there was a bed like 50 meters from the dam entrance at one of the trailers...

I think the guy ran into the problem with having no light for traversing the lower levels of the Dam. If he's going from Timberwolf Mt. that means he's gone through Pleasant Valley and Winding River (iirc).

[sergeyshurupa]

Originally posted by Thiago SB:

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Sleeping on a table would be a survival.
Even sleeping on the floor in several locations should be possible.
I was playing interloper survival and went from the Timberwolf Mountain to the Carter Hydro Dam to DIE because of not being able to sleep there. Don't you think it's ridiculous?

I do agree that you should be able to sleep in tables or in the floor to be realistic but there was a bed like 50 meters from the dam entrance at one of the trailers...

Trailers are on the other side of the dam and I ran out of light sources at that moment.

For all others - playing with game MECHANICS is NOT actually PLAYING the game.
I know exacltly every location you can sleep at, but what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense.

[Evendark]

it seems you die because you have no map knowledge. finding a bedroll or craft one is a part of interloper.

i make a playlist for interloper beginners, on day 40 i geared up with full crafted gear.

2x Bearcoat, 2xDeerpants, Deershoes, Rabbithat and Mittens, Moosepouch and off course i find the bedroll :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLAbk42-rZo&list=PLdjmu8fteNu9LcK8fbRGsiJLg2XyhXa5S&index=2&t=0s

[sergeyshurupa]

Originally posted by Evendark:

it seems you die because you have no map knowledge. finding a bedroll or craft one is a part of interloper.

i make a playlist for interloper beginners, on day 40 i geared up with full crafted gear.

2x Bearcoat, 2xDeerpants, Deershoes, Rabbithat and Mittens, Moosepouch and off course i find the bedroll :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLAbk42-rZo&list=PLdjmu8fteNu9LcK8fbRGsiJLg2XyhXa5S&index=2&t=0s

You could check my previous comment, because it's almost the same 'missing the point'.

[SteelFire]

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Originally posted by Thiago SB:

I do agree that you should be able to sleep in tables or in the floor to be realistic but there was a bed like 50 meters from the dam entrance at one of the trailers...

Trailers are on the other side of the dam and I ran out of light sources at that moment.

For all others - playing with game MECHANICS is NOT actually PLAYING the game.
I know exacltly every location you can sleep at, but what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense.

Running out of light going through the dam, or a mine or cave, is also poor planning. If you hadn't managed to find any matches before then, why would you enter a dark place? If you had matches, why hadn't you made a fire somewhere and pulled enough torches to get you through?

[sergeyshurupa]

Originally posted by SteelFire:

Originally posted by sergeyshurupa:

Trailers are on the other side of the dam and I ran out of light sources at that moment.

For all others - playing with game MECHANICS is NOT actually PLAYING the game.
I know exacltly every location you can sleep at, but what I'm saying - it doesn't make sense.

Running out of light going through the dam, or a mine or cave, is also poor planning. If you hadn't managed to find any matches before then, why would you enter a dark place? If you had matches, why hadn't you made a fire somewhere and pulled enough torches to get you through?

Still, it's not the case. I have my challenges in the game and I'm not talking about them.
If you can read, you will understand what is this post about.

[SteelFire]

Oh, I understand completely. You're complaining that you can't just sleep any old place. That may not be completely real world logical, but it's how the game is set up, to both control player actions and not overly complicate the mechanics. Of course, as far as the real world is concerned, usually when these complaints come up, sleeping on the ground, eating snow, etc, if people had their way they'd just kill themselves faster, so, *shrug*

Regardless, you know the game mechanics, it's been pointed out to you all the things you did wrong between TWM and Carter. You died due to poor planning and action. Welcome to The Long Dark. Try again.

[sergeyshurupa]

Originally posted by SteelFire:

Oh, I understand completely. You're complaining that you can't just sleep any old place. That may not be completely real world logical, but it's how the game is set up, to both control player actions and not overly complicate the mechanics. Of course, as far as the real world is concerned, usually when these complaints come up, sleeping on the ground, eating snow, etc, if people had their way they'd just kill themselves faster, so, *shrug*

Regardless, you know the game mechanics, it's been pointed out to you all the things you did wrong between TWM and Carter. You died due to poor planning and action. Welcome to The Long Dark. Try again.

That sounds rational but actually it's not.
I'm not saying about eating snow or some optional functions. It's about a cause of death.
And this one is making it absolutely unreal.
The only way the game makes sense to me, is when I can somehow believe in it.
And what I believe is you don't die because you haven't slept - you actually fall asleep.
Falling asleep in a place like hydro dam shouldn't make you die.

I understand your point. You accept it and adapt to the way it is.
But it doesn't make this cause of death less ridiculous.
And again. Playing game mechanics and playing the game itself - not the same.