Calorie burn rate in Stalker

[FRANKDREBIN]

So I couldn´t wait and just started a new game at stalker.

I´m on day two at PV. I started on this map because I was expecting to find my dear mag lens in the barn as I´ve done twice (It didn´t happen)

I have found plenty of loot, specially food, didn´t see much difference to voyageur,. Looted all places in the Thomson´s Crossing and the farm and didn´t see so far the superb armies of wolves behind every corner. Is this a period of grace or I´m being lucky? Before this save I played a couple of days in BR only to see what the map was like, I also didn´t find too many wolves, and the ones I saw were avoidable (also found a moose in front of my door on day 1, I almost threw my revolver rounds on him because I had no gun lollllllll).

But I´m curious about the calories burning. I´ve read older topics that said calorie burning in voyageur was a bit higher than in stalker. I thought it funny because the game says about stalker: "ALL surviving elements are tuned to be particularly challenging."

I was going to sleep and noted that I´d spent only 60/cal a hour of sleep against ~67,5 of voyageur. Went on custom options and saw that Voyageur has a "medium" calorie burn rate, while stalker has a "high" one and got more confuse. In the other activies like walking/fishing/etc the stalker still burn less? Then high mean less than medium?!

[Chris P. Bacon]

From my experience, I found a lot more loot on voyageur than stalker, especially clothing, tools, and ammo. I'm not sure how many stalker days you are in, but give it a few weeks and you should notice a difference. I never even had to hunt on voyageur even after a lengthy run.

PV is not known for having a lot of wolves, so that isn't surprising, but BR is crawling with them. There is no grace period on stalker, so I'd say that you just got extremely lucky there.

I'm honestly not sure about the calorie burn, it has simply been too long since I loaded up a voyageur run, but I remember reading on the forums about how it is slightly higher on voyageur than stalker. I'm not sure if that is still the case. The custom game templates for the different difficulties have not been accurate in the past, so who knows? Still, all of your other meters will drain faster on stalker so keep that in mind.

[L37]

Yes, while stalker is harder than voyager (more wildlife, and more aggressive wildlife) it is not very significant. Still waay too much stuff around.

It really feels like some things (loot for example) were done when the game only had few maps and was never rebalanced. And need rebalancing badly. Back when the world was pretty small loot density for voyager/stalker made sense. Now with sheer amount of places to loot it results in practically unlimited resources on either difficulty.

IMO if you want higher difficulty/more challenge but not interloper with its arbitrary set of rules - take voyager or stalker, set everything loot-related to lowest values possible and try playing like this. Setting base resource availability to low will also result in no knives/hatchets and no goot clothes, which will make the game harder.

[FRANKDREBIN]

Today I played a bit more my stalker save. Found a revolver at the hay of the barn as usual (it´s the barn nearer the farmhouse, not the red one as I mentioned before). Had only two bullets and tried to shot a bear from a bit long distance (so I could run inside), but I missed the two and now I have no gun away

I think I played this too early after my last save and I wasn´t in mood to plan for a trip now. I wasn´t having much fun so I decided to take "vacations" of survival and started the Whiteout challenge.


SPOILER ALERT FOR CHALLENGE NEW PLAYERS

I´m loving it so far!! The 30 days countdown is exciting, and I enjoy the idea of stockpiling waiting a natural disaster. I was concerned with the rifle and I couldn´t find it on jackrabbit, but maybe this way is better and more challenging . On day 3 I traveled to DP because I knew I could find a lot of lantern fuel on the pickup under the bridge (had 2 liters) and a Storm Lantern on the mine. Also for the first time in TLD I found something inside a safe something WORTHY being on a safe, a Revolver that I´ll use to hunt big animals to secure my food.I´ve found more bullets for it that I can use in a month. I´m leaving behind most of the clothes and matches I find because I already have plenty.

I´m now in day 4 (evening) back in my "bear house" in CH near the exit to DP. Have a lot of food and I´m saving the lighter and with more calories to the last days.

Btw I don´t know what´s the difficulty level of challenge. It burns calories more than stalker and voyageur (75 cal/hour when sleeping) but the loot is abundant and the wildlife is more like voyageur - had two wolf struggles that only left me with minor bruises.

According to the weather forecast there´s a big chance of a blizzard on day 6, so I´m thinking in travel tomorrow to ML and stay in camp office or the dam till it goes away. There´s a small chance of other blizzards till day 12. So I´ll analyze it day by day.

I´m pretty sure I´ll find my rifle somewhere in ML and I think I can make the challenge only exploring my three favorites maps. I must then have two weeks back in CH to grab wood, cook water, make my bandages and kill a few deers with my revolver, unless I get more rifle rounds with the gun (already found 10 bullets, 3 of them on Riken bow, 2 on lighthouse top and so on...), and obviously watching out the predators outdoor Zoo that happens to be in the front door

[FRANKDREBIN]

Postat inițial de bladerunner97:

Voyager is Medium calorie burn rate and Stalker is High. Every setting can be changed.

Yes on menu its like that, but in-game is opposite!!!

[FRANKDREBIN]

Postat inițial de bladerunner97:

Typically, I burn well over 2000 calories a day in my default Stalker run, compared to around 1500 in Voyager. Sounds logical to me.

Thanks, thats exactly what I asked here:

“ In the other activies like walking/fishing/etc the stalker still burn less?”

While sleeping, stalker calorie indeed burns slowly than voyageur

[FRANKDREBIN]

Postat inițial de bladerunner97:

I don't think so. Considering I'm doing basically the same thing in both runs. I think it's safe to say that overall, surviving is taking more effort (calories) in Stalker.

Yeah overall, but resting is piece of cake. 720 calories for a 12 hours sleep is so friendly, in cooking lvl 5 one can almost spend the night with only a on stomach

[FRANKDREBIN]

Agreed, the sprain things is more than a pain in the ankle, indeed a pain in the ass

[FRANKDREBIN]

Postat inițial de Chris P. Bacon:

From my experience, I found a lot more loot on voyageur than stalker, especially clothing, tools, and ammo. I'm not sure how many stalker days you are in, but give it a few weeks and you should notice a difference. I never even had to hunt on voyageur even after a lengthy run.

PV is not known for having a lot of wolves, so that isn't surprising, but BR is crawling with them. There is no grace period on stalker, so I'd say that you just got extremely lucky there.

I´m pretty satisfied with the loot of Stalker so far, besides the very abundant food and drink: Day 6 on PV, and I´ve found so far:

- Revolver with 20+ bullets;
- 2 gun cleaning kits:
- a dozen rifle bullets;
- lens;
- 2 prybars;
- Hatchet, Knife and THREE whetstones;
- Heavy Hammer and Hacksaw
- Gauntlet, toque, insulated boots, parka, mackinaw jacket;
- 170+ matches;
- 3 sewing kits;
- 2 liter of antiseptis and like 20 antibiotics;
- 2 or 3 cooking pots;

and I didn´t visit Signal Hill....

Also about the terrific armies of wolves behind every corner, I had 6 wolf encounters so far and 0 sruggles...I´m dealing with em the same way in voyageur, I don´t felt their searching radius bigger (at least when I´m carrying no fresh meat) and it´s agressiveness is not impossible to deal with it. I kept one away with a flare, threw a torch on another, other two shooting the revolver and one simply gave up pursuing/lost me/found something more interesting to eat on the heavy fog. Well let´s see how the boys in CH behave...


EDIT: I´m in the frozen waters in CH, to my right where should be a pack of 3 wolves, there are two, total 5 wolves . On my left there are like 4 deers, I can promote a carnage here.

EDIT 2: The loot is really good. Found a rifle for the first time inside a fishing hut, the one nearest jackrabbit.

[Chris P. Bacon]

Nice, sometimes it takes me quite a while to find my first revolver, but rifles are pretty common. Sounds like your run is going pretty well! Good luck in CH. Only advice I'd like to offer is to be careful around the garage since there are a lot of scary nasty lads that spawn around there, but you probably already know that.

[FRANKDREBIN]

thanks, Im enjoying this save. Day 10 still not got problems with wolves and killed my first bear. I decided to spend the night at misanthrope homestead and before going inside I realized the creature had the balls to invade my island, then I put a revolver bullet on his carcass and he went to sleep with fishes, dunno where tho.

also in the misanthrope I found a balaclava and Im looking very cool

[FRANKDREBIN]

Updating my situation:

I´m on day 23. Looted PV, DP and CH, and now settled in Jackrabbit Island. Have a bow with two arrows and a rifle over the kitchen sink (yeah, that´s where I put my gun) with 12 bullets. Didnt use neither so far. I only carry my revolver, which I have more than 60 bullets and don´t shoot too much also.

I´ve found FIVE whetstones so I think my three knifes and two hatchets will be around for some time. Same applies for my guns with my 4 cleaning kits.

My clothes are in good condition with +19C bonus, I never found so many

Weather is much worse than in voyageur, got caught in blizzards several times, and was locked inside a cottage cabin for almost three days. Fortunately I´m more experienced now and facing it better. Fog is a constant too, but I ever travelled back from DP under a medium fog with no problem.

As I said, I settled in Jackrabbit and may live here for a LONG time. I´m using a fishing hut near a snow path just below the island, it has a door which is very nice. No near wolves so far but a thin ice trap that I fell once (then I painted a snow mark to remind me, now it´s instintive to take round the thin ice). I´ve read already 3 frozen anglers and I´m already reaching level 3 fishing. Also I found out that you can craft fishing tackles in the total dark, I crafted half dozen during the night on my sleeping intervals.

Meanwhile I´ve set three snares (one was broken on the very first night) on the island near a corpse and it´s working perfectly, getting a pair of every morning. As soon as some guts cure I´ll go down the fishing camp on that outdoor workbench to craft more a few snares, specially for backup.

I also made my Fool Proof campfire, no more burning accidents:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i--svJ8V2vM&feature=youtu.be

My animal stats are just curious. I´m proud that I had only ONE wolf struggle so far, and it was a very quick one (I used the hatchet instead of knife), I didn´t even had to use antibiotics, I have zero bloodlosses on day 23. Funny thing is that I killed none deer so far, two wolves (still waiting for the wolves armies !!!) and a bear. This parasite thing made me giving up of living in desolation point where I´d stay at hibernia and eat only bears.

I could go to ML but honestly I think it´s just an unnecessary risk now, specially that my last death was falling from the ravine. Talking about death, I visited the Quonset Garage only once to loot, spent the night and on the following morning I just left that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sprinting with a lit flare on hands.