How does frostbite work !?

[Dapper]

this morning i was playing The Long Dark as you do and was breaking some branches outside for some fire wood, but then i got frostbite with FULL temp not even arrow going down at all i was maxed out warmth. aswell as no warning like gives you when you are at risk for frostbite.

Is there something i am missing here or is this to prevent from being able to live outside for days on end? as i have been surviving in the bear cave far north in DP for weeks on end

what was i wearing (stalker mode)

- 2 wool tuqes
- 2 ear warmers
- snow pants and deer pants
- 2 thermal underwears
- wool socks and climbing socks
- deer boots
- wolf jacket and military jacket
- 2 thick wool sweaters
- rabbit mittens

all above having 80%+ on condition

[sockpuppet12421]

If the clothing was wet or frozen then you can get frostbite.

[yemenal]

Clothes can get soaked just from it snowing. The only way to get Frostbite through Clothes is for the Clothe youre wearing on the Frostbitten part to be wet or frozen.

[sugarland24]

Originally posted by yemenal:

Clothes can get soaked just from it snowing. The only way to get Frostbite through Clothes is for the Clothe youre wearing on the Frostbitten part to be wet or frozen.

You are correct. That's how i got frostbite in my current game. I had the best clothes on, full warmth, but I forgot about wet clothes during a marathon fishing trip. Went to bed in the ice house and BAM! frostbite in the right wrist. Oh well, lesson learned.

[yemenal]

also I think you can get wet feet from walking on ice, or maybe if you encounter Weak Ice or something? Im sure Ive arrived home to Jackrabbit Island in good weather and found I have wet feet and the other Clothes dry but Im not 100% sure how that works

[Sgt_Dogmeat]

Unfortunately TLD does not give you much warning before freezing off your extremities. I think it would be much more realistic to provide a specific HUD warning since frostbite causes permanent damage. All the other important bodily functions provide a gauge or warning: hunger, cold, sleep, and exhaustion. And all of these are fully recoverable no matter how low they get. Frostbite just sneaks up on you, very much NOT like real frostbite. While I understand this is a game and not real life, I find it frustrating that "Hey your fingers and toes are turning into blocks of ice!" is not a triggerable HUD event. That being said, this is a great game and I will continue playing as the devs have done a great job of balancing survival and keeping it interesting without diving into the minutiae of every single aspect of living in a post-apocalyptic world.

[yemenal]

dont you get a yellow cross when youre in Frostbite Risk? Im not sure if Ive ever been in Frostbite Risk w/ out also having Hypothermia Risk so idk, there would be one for that anyway. or maybe I have and havent realised because theres no cross....hmmm
but yeah even if the voice actor said something like "I need to get out of these wet clothes" or something, that would help

[Sgt_Dogmeat]

Originally posted by yemenal:

dont you get a yellow cross when youre in Frostbite Risk? Im not sure if Ive ever been in Frostbite Risk w/ out also having Hypothermia Risk so idk, there would be one for that anyway. or maybe I have and havent realised because theres no cross....hmmm
but yeah even if the voice actor said something like "I need to get out of these wet clothes" or something, that would help

It does have the yellow cross but, yellow cross isn't all that much of a warning IMO and since I eat wolf meat regularly (once a day is safe) I almost always have a yellow cross in my HUD. If my guy gets peckish or a little thirsty or is carrying too much weight I gotta listen to him endlessly whine about it. But when his fingers and toes are turning black he takes more of a "Suffer silently" approach. Just seems like there would be more of a specific "frostbite alert" considering the pain and reduction of functionality that comes with freezing body parts. Ever try to load and fire a rifle at 30 below with no gloves on? Or make a fire? Me either but it feels like I would notice my fingers not working is all I'm saying.

[Sgt_Dogmeat]

Originally posted by Qossuth:

Sgt_Wolfmeat, can I ask what level you're playing on? How long have you been chowing on Wolf without effect?

I been eatin' wolves for a long time. I have found, back when the game gave us a percentage of parasite risk, that eating one full wolf or bear steak would give me about a 1% chance of getting sick. So with that 1% risk in mind I have found that eating carnivore meat once a day (waiting until the risk abates from the previous day) is acceptable, and to my recollection I have never gotten sick from practicing this method. It helps in early game play as it allows me to safely supplement any rabbit or deer meat I can find.

I tend to stay in Stalker mode. Interloper is just too much of a challenge to be fun for me. Maybe with this new "custom" option I can find a happy medium between Stalker and Interloper.

[jswilliams]

On Interloper don't be eating a predator steak/day. Congrats on ducking the risk on Stalker so far. I'm a true believer in the No Pred Before L5 club now.

As for Frostbite, you had a warning pop up on your screen whenever the risk flared up. On Stalker and below with the excellent clothes available, it's unfortunately possible to be Warm or not that cold outside, get wet, and frostbite slowly climbs to 100%. When you go warm up, you warm up way faster than your frostbite risk abates and way waaaay faster than your clothes dry. So you were probably having a climbing risk, come down a little, back outside and climbing again, etc.

[Sgt_Dogmeat]

Originally posted by jswilliams:

On Interloper don't be eating a predator steak/day. Congrats on ducking the risk on Stalker so far. I'm a true believer in the No Pred Before L5 club now.

As for Frostbite, you had a warning pop up on your screen whenever the risk flared up. On Stalker and below with the excellent clothes available, it's unfortunately possible to be Warm or not that cold outside, get wet, and frostbite slowly climbs to 100%. When you go warm up, you warm up way faster than your frostbite risk abates and way waaaay faster than your clothes dry. So you were probably having a climbing risk, come down a little, back outside and climbing again, etc.

I agree that a warning does pop up but do you understand my point? If my fingers are freezing into blocks of ice leading to permanent damage a quick pop up seems rather minimal considering the warnings I get for other afflictions like hunger or weight. The warnings are in place to alert a player to things that our character feels in the game since we can not feel these things while we are playing. Freezing body parts is very hard to ignore in real life. So a quick "pop-up" is like feeling a slight twinge in your fingers as they are freezing and no other symptoms, only to discover they've turned black without any other bodily notifications. That's all I'm saying. You don't need to agree with me but it would be nice if you could at least try to listen to what I am saying before posting some scenario to refute a point you've not even taken the time to understand.

[jswilliams]

It's this way for everything though. You get one warning for Hypothermia and Frostbite. You can freeze to death in your sleep, which is pretty much impossible. I don't like it either and have gotten Frostbite because I remembered getting the warning early in the day, was ducking in and out all day, and forgot to check whether or not I was effectively dealing with the FB risk.

So I learned to hit F a little more often when I have a yellow flag. I have no other choice, and likely Hinterlands won't change anything.

But really the bulk of my text was for the OP but I realize now when I started my second para with "you", you would take it to mean you. Really I was trying to explain the very human, illogical way you can get FB because you're right.

Actually, here's what Hinterlands SHOULD DO. Because you would start to feel WORSE in stages, both Frostbite and Hypothermia should have a yellow flag show up at 25%, not before, along with the text pop-up on the right. Hypothermia risk 25%.

Prior to that your character would probably dismiss. "My fingers are hurting" "Can't feel my nose" "It's just a cough"

At 25% you get the warning because your character kinda can't deny reality. The yellow flag stay there.

Something's wrong.

Then you get a warning text pop-up at 50% and 75% and finally the affliction at 100%

But again, I doubt Hinterlands will ever do anything about this. They want you to take responsibility for your condition by hitting that game-breakin' F key.