Drinking non-potable water

[lkandrb]

I only played voyager once before this last update, so I can't recall. I accidentally drank non-potable water this go around and there were no repurcussions. I did it a couple more times and it wasn't a fluke. Is that part of the easier disease restrictions for Voyager or a change to them?

TBH, I hate it. I've only made the mistake 3 times in more than 1500 hours of play, but there is no way on any difficulty level drinking unclean water should not make you sick.

Disease from predator meat (cooked) is a good mechanic and I like the progression. It only takes a little artistic license with reality to provide pro's & cons for different playing levels. IRL properly cooked meat that isn't spoiled doesn't make you sick. The chances of an untrained/inexperienced and desperate survivor rushing his cooking to get food in his belly and lacking a meat thermometer will undercook his meat and get sick are much greater in-game. I like it.

I would like all non-potable water and stagnant toilet water to make you sick at all levels. Needing to boil water happens daily everywhere there is city water and any part of the distribution system gets damaged. 3 days of boil water after repairs. Toilet water has been untreated for many months. Having to boil it is not a very large burden and there are tablets in the game too. There is still a distinctly lesser burden because it does not require melting first. I can see on interloper it would make things a bit harder, but that's what you are looking for at interloper level.

It doesn't need to be an automatic disease, but should be a significant chance though. Something on the order of 10-40% for the four levels of difficulty.

[athikers]

I don't play voyageur but the game is good about explaining the possible outcomes. Does it tag non-pot water with a warning. If it does, then you got lucky. RNjesus sometimes lets us get away with things.

[lkandrb]

I've never noticed any warnings on anything except unread books. Bear meat doesn't say it may give you parasites, does it? It says Unsafe to drink on it IIRC.

[IFIYGD]

Unsafe to drink = Might make you sick.

Just saying...

[lkandrb]

I drank it 4-5 times this play on voyager and nada, no sickness. I never even tried drinking it deliberately before, the first time I did it by accident, I got sick, but that was probably on Stalker pre-update. If you know it CAN make you sick, even at reduced chance on Voyager now, I would be relieved. I ate raw meat once and cringed waiting for the disease (probably also not on voyager) I got luckly once and died the next time because I didn't find antibiotics or reishi in time LOL. AFAIK, none of the decriptions change even one word between pilgrim and interloper. All say the water is unsafe.

[mmille14]

It is best to treat the different modes as different games. It is unwise to apply any experience with the RNG from one mode to another.

Here is an exelent post about the different Experience Modes by IFIYGD

"Hinterland doesn't call the Difficulty Modes, they call them Experience Modes, for a reason. There is a change in difficulty, yes. But each mode os set up and balanced for a completely different experience from the one before or the one after. No straigh linear difficulty progression like in an aRPG.

Pilgrim is all about being a quiet observer, less noticed, more freedom, more about exploring the world and documenting The Quiet Apocalypse. And surviving while you do it. You can still die if you don't keep an eye on your stats and manage them. Hunting is harder, as everything will avoid the Investigator when it sees or smells you, so it is harder to get close enough to kill a wolf or bear for meat, guts and hide.

Voyaguer is more geared toward balancwd aurvival mechanics, and loot, traveling and needing more calories because you are doing so, but you are noticed by the world around you, and have to deal with threats. Loot isn;t scarce, but the risk of getting to it is higher. Things notice you at a closer distance than in Pilgrim, but you can still avoid them or hunt them if you are careful and smart.

Stalker is more about being the hunted, instead of the hunter. The predators are more numerous, they are all aware of your prescence, and are hungry for food. And you smell like food. You can't be as bold and brash as you are in Pilgrim or Voyageur, but you use less calories to feed yourself. Because you will be stalked and hunted, and will be moving more to avoid confrontations, or end them when needed. Thins notice you and actively hunt you from further away. Because they are starving too, and keen for a meal. Any meal.

Interloper is about Mother Nature deciding that Humans have destroyed her work, and She is NOT happy about it. She is out to kill you. By any means possible. Less was left behind by those who were able to get out before Mother Nature rained her wrath down on the world. There is less for you, and the predators to find and use. You need to be smart to outwit a Goddess. Good luck, and remeber that Pain makes you stronger. Or not, lol!

Not really difficulties. Different experiences. I love Pilgrim, Voyageur and Stalker. Interloper does not suit my more reckless and free spirited playstyle. And which one I play depends on my mood on any given day. And every now and then I feel silly, and masochistic, and ive Loper another go. And quickly remeber why I don;t enjoy that mode. It's not a pleasurable experience for me, personally. Others adore it."

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by lkandrb:

I drank it 4-5 times this play on voyager and nada, no sickness. I never even tried drinking it deliberately before, the first time I did it by accident, I got sick, but that was probably on Stalker pre-update. If you know it CAN make you sick, even at reduced chance on Voyager now, I would be relieved. I ate raw meat once and cringed waiting for the disease (probably also not on voyager) I got luckly once and died the next time because I didn't find antibiotics or reishi in time LOL. AFAIK, none of the decriptions change even one word between pilgrim and interloper. All say the water is unsafe.

It isn;t the mode, it is only RNJesus etither being kind and looking the other way, or now. On Stalker I have eaten raw fish and rabbit. And no food poisoning, On Pilgrim I have eaten a 70-something % candy bar and instant food poisoning.

It is pure luck and a roll of the RNG dice, every single time you so anything with RNG attached to it.

You got lucky, Several times. Don;t expect to get that lucky every time, especially not based on the mode you are playing.

[mmille14]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by lkandrb:

I drank it 4-5 times this play on voyager and nada, no sickness. I never even tried drinking it deliberately before, the first time I did it by accident, I got sick, but that was probably on Stalker pre-update. If you know it CAN make you sick, even at reduced chance on Voyager now, I would be relieved. I ate raw meat once and cringed waiting for the disease (probably also not on voyager) I got luckly once and died the next time because I didn't find antibiotics or reishi in time LOL. AFAIK, none of the decriptions change even one word between pilgrim and interloper. All say the water is unsafe.

It isn;t the mode, it is only RNJesus etither being kind and looking the other way, or now. On Stalker I have eaten raw fish and rabbit. And no food poisoning, On Pilgrim I have eaten a 70-something % candy bar and instant food poisoning.

It is pure luck and a roll of the RNG dice, every single time you so anything with RNG attached to it.

You got lucky, Several times. Don;t expect to get that lucky every time, especially not based on the mode you are playing.

Is the RNG the same between modes? I would not assume that.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by mmille14:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

It isn;t the mode, it is only RNJesus etither being kind and looking the other way, or now. On Stalker I have eaten raw fish and rabbit. And no food poisoning, On Pilgrim I have eaten a 70-something % candy bar and instant food poisoning.

It is pure luck and a roll of the RNG dice, every single time you so anything with RNG attached to it.

You got lucky, Several times. Don;t expect to get that lucky every time, especially not based on the mode you are playing.

Is the RNG the same between modes? I would not assume that.

Can't say for sure if they use a different seed for each mode. Loot tables are different, but tbh I have not seen any distinct patters between Pilgrim, Voyageur and Stalker that indicate a different RNG seed for each mode. Interloper maybe? I haven;t survived long enough in Loper to really notice any change in luck.

[mmille14]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by mmille14:

Is the RNG the same between modes? I would not assume that.

Can't say for sure if they use a different seed for each mode. Loot tables are different, but tbh I have not seen any distinct patters between Pilgrim, Voyageur and Stalker that indicate a different RNG seed for each mode. Interloper maybe? I haven;t survived long enough in Loper to really notice any change in luck.

Of course they could have been changed between updates and if so it would have been hard to see any consistency. I know some have changed over the past year. Also, some could be the same and some not. I play where each mode could be different.

[lkandrb]

I will then drink only non-potable water until I get sick to satisfy my curiosity and report here :) It makes me cringe thinking of it, but all in the name of science ...

[mmille14]

Originally posted by lkandrb:

I will then drink only non-potable water until I get sick to satisfy my curiosity and report here :) It makes me cringe thinking of it, but all in the name of science ...

The RNG may consider other factors like your overall condition or if you are already sick or injured. I think the RNG is set up is so you can't figure out what is the precentage without a lot of testing you will get sick.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by mmille14:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Can't say for sure if they use a different seed for each mode. Loot tables are different, but tbh I have not seen any distinct patters between Pilgrim, Voyageur and Stalker that indicate a different RNG seed for each mode. Interloper maybe? I haven;t survived long enough in Loper to really notice any change in luck.

Of course they could have been changed between updates and if so it would have been hard to see any consistency. I know some have changed over the past year. Also, some could be the same and some not. I play where each mode could be different.

It could be that they changed the RNG seed between the last version and this one. Only Hinterland knows for sure if they changed the seed, if they added different seeds for different modes. I haven't noticed any change in luck between any of the updates in the last year. My luck with w Random Number Generator has always seemed to be, well// Random. Humans tend to not like randomness, we tend to want logic and patterns we can eaisily identify. RNG doesn;t give us that. So, I have no idea f if you are actually seeing disticnt patterns, of if your mind is trying to find them and thus does, wherenone actually exist. Kind of like how some people see pictures in cluds or rock faces or even plants, where none exists. Known as Apophenia (the term came from studies of schizophrenia, but has been found to fit humans without any disorder... article used to define the word and it's origins.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
https://www.scientificamerican.com/podcast/episode/brain-seeks-patterns-where-none-exi-08-10-03/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/imagine/201103/what-s-the-pattern
https://psychcentral.com/lib/patterns-the-need-for-order/

[lkandrb]

As I said, I will test and prove it is either no disease or lower chance on Voyager.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by lkandrb:

As I said, I will test and prove it is either no disease or lower chance on Voyager.

Oky? Have fun? I was responding to someone else's comment, which is why their comment was quoted, not yours?

[lkandrb]

OK I drank 7 times at various levels of starving, tired, etc. On the seventh use I got sick, so I'm happy ;) Now I can go back to cringing if I accidentally drink it and know taking chances will end up badly with dirty water on Voyager.